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Or is boss correcting speech rude

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TeeedleDum · 23/10/2023 23:04

My boss will correct myself and other colleagues during casual conversations if we say 'me and bob are going....' to 'bob and I are going....'. I find this really rude and unprofessional - I know 'bob and I' is correct and I would use this whilst working (e.g in meetings or in emails) but when I'm on my lunch break I don't expect to be corrected. Would you find this annoying/ patronising?

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saraclara · 24/10/2023 00:37

Gowlett · 24/10/2023 00:30

Where I live, myself is widely used & perfectly acceptable.

It's still wrong though. It's not an example of an idiom or an accent, so nothing to do with where you live. It's just wrong. It doesn't matter how many people say it, it's wrong.

'He said it to me' - correct
'I said it to myself' -correct (doesn't involve anyone else, it's just you talking about yourself)

'He said it to myself' - wrong. Very wrong

unnumber · 24/10/2023 00:38

TeeedleDum · 24/10/2023 00:32

Actually I wrote 'me' first and then changed to 'myself' as I've got so in my head about using 'me' because of my boss. I thought if I got it wrong (which I clearly have) some people would be really nasty (which they have, for instance saying I should be shot)

Yes - people made such a fuss about "me" in contexts where it is completely normal and comprehensible that others started to overuse "I" and "myself". Strange how little it interferes with understanding, with the fuss people make about it.

MolyHacaroni · 24/10/2023 00:39

unnumber · 24/10/2023 00:34

Either is fine. There's an artificial rule (i.e. a grammarians' invention as to what sounds proper based on a particular logic imposed and prioritised over usage) that you put the other person before yourself in a sentence like this. There's no good cause to do so.

Putting the other person before 'I' is rooted in usage - much harder to hear the I in "I and the King" than "The King and I". But "I and my husband go shopping there" wouldn't be wrong - just quite unusual.

(Edited to fix italics)

Edited

Ah! Thank you. That makes sense.

belleager · 24/10/2023 00:40

Gowlett · 24/10/2023 00:30

Where I live, myself is widely used & perfectly acceptable.

Is it yourself?

😊

PicturesOfDogs · 24/10/2023 00:43

TeeedleDum · 24/10/2023 00:32

Actually I wrote 'me' first and then changed to 'myself' as I've got so in my head about using 'me' because of my boss. I thought if I got it wrong (which I clearly have) some people would be really nasty (which they have, for instance saying I should be shot)

I mean, if it were a choice between being the type of person who use’s colloquialisms, and the type of person who goes round saying people should be shot, I know which one I’d choose…..

unnumber · 24/10/2023 00:46

saraclara · 24/10/2023 00:37

It's still wrong though. It's not an example of an idiom or an accent, so nothing to do with where you live. It's just wrong. It doesn't matter how many people say it, it's wrong.

'He said it to me' - correct
'I said it to myself' -correct (doesn't involve anyone else, it's just you talking about yourself)

'He said it to myself' - wrong. Very wrong

Edited

But right, perfectly right, as a feature of Hiberno-English. Dialect.

Not exactly a hanging offence in any other variety of English either.

Tinkerbyebye · 24/10/2023 00:47

Precipice · 23/10/2023 23:12

Do you not find disregarding grammatical rules to be unprofessional?

If you're eating lunch at work, that's still 'working' even if you're not actually doing any work at the moment. Why do you deliberately speak in a way that you know to be ungrammatical?

@Precipice

i disagree lunch breaks are normally unpaid. Therefore it’s my time and I am not working

Raisinganiguana · 24/10/2023 00:50

Myself used incorrectly isn’t a colloquialism, it’s just wrong.

he probably feels itchy when you say it

Teapot13 · 24/10/2023 00:52

I enjoy the mistakes native speakers make in their own language.

OP, your boss is rude. And very bad at grammar.

I love to hear and use colloquialisms.

When I hear, “Me and my cousin went to the store, I think, “casual speech.” Like when I hear someone swear—sometimes you just have to say it wrong. When I hear, “Thank you for the gift you gave my husband and I,” I think, “This person has no understanding of basic grammar.”

Sorry you had a hard time on this thread, OP. I bet their heads exploded when you said you’re an architect.

YDBear · 24/10/2023 01:02

Wow! Who would have thought so many grammar pedants would pounce on a post filed at 11pm. Don’t they sleep?
The truth is the OP’s boss is a rude pedant, probably with an inferiority complex about his/her second-rate university (I’m extrapolating here). The OP can speak as she likes and maim grammar as she pleases—it is still a free country in that regard, if in few others. The only place where this matters is if this affects the style or content of her written work, which we are assured it doesn’t. I used to work at a newspaper with an editor who spoke the broadest Cockney but wrote like an Oxford don. The “rules” of grammar only matter when they matter. Which is not in the break room.

hoobanoobie · 24/10/2023 01:03

"Myself" in this context is incorrect. So your post didn't start out well. He's picking you up on things you could improve upon and make you sound more professional.
I think you gave yourself away at the start of your post, from there you weren't going to get any posters on your side. You might get a few who say it doesn't matter, but it actually does, otherwise what would be the point in correcting you to make you sound more professional. English Language is incredibly interesting to study. It's forever being marred by people who just don’t care and think it doesn't matter. In a professional job you should be keenly aware of grammar as it will define how others judge you (which is unfair but there is a standard).
The English language gets butchered enough daily without a second thought. It's both a pity and pure laziness. Is "rizz" accepted into the dictionary yet? That's the latest bollocks term that I've heard.

unnumber · 24/10/2023 01:12

Language isn't marred by people who think it doesn't matter.

It's made by people who think it doesn't matter - except as a means of communication.

Otherwise, we'd all still be speaking the more syntactically fluid language of Shakespeare.

He'd have been delighted with a new word like "rizz".

OP didn't post to ask if her language was formally correct standard English. She asked if her boss was rude to correct her usage unasked. He was. So are people on this thread who do likewise.

BeauSignoles · 24/10/2023 01:19

This thread is full of pompous gits like your boss.

I couldn’t give two shits if you say “myself”. It’ll probably be correct usage one day because it’s become so commonly used.

unnumber · 24/10/2023 01:48

BeauSignoles · 24/10/2023 01:19

This thread is full of pompous gits like your boss.

I couldn’t give two shits if you say “myself”. It’ll probably be correct usage one day because it’s become so commonly used.

Pretty much is correct usage already, I'd say.

People have only objected since the late 1880s, and some accept that it's here to stay. T.S. Eliot used the word this way, unironically.

Nice history here:

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/08/me-myself-and-i.html

Islandermummy · 24/10/2023 02:57

Your boss is not only rude but a crashing bore.

There is something really naff about correcting other people's grammar.

user1492757084 · 24/10/2023 04:52

He is rude if you feel badly.

However, I think when having lunch with your boss you should use better grammar by choice.
You might be more likely to be thought of for a promotion or extra responsibilities if you can be trusted to speak properly.

leftshark · 24/10/2023 05:04

@echt i lurk and sometimes comment on some other mutual threads and recognise your username; just want to say I found this contribution to this one absolutely gorgeous and here for it 💯

SparkyBlue · 24/10/2023 07:09

He is very very rude and I'd be inclined to say something smart back to him. The sort of people who would correct someone on a point like this always come across as ridiculous. The only time it's okay to correct someone's speech is if they have said something crude or offensive. Some of the posters on this thread would need to be given smelling salts if they heard how we speak around my neck of the woods.

PosteriorPosterity · 24/10/2023 07:11

Thedm · 23/10/2023 23:06

”correct myself”

It’s, “Correct me.”

Anyone who uses myself like that needs to be corrected. It’s just totally wrong.

”I went to the shop by myself” is correct.
”I drew it myself” is correct.

When you’re referring back to something you did yourself, it is correct. Anything else is wrong.

It should be me or I.

This. Your grammar might be insufferable worse than you think.

KimberleyClark · 24/10/2023 07:15

He’s rude. I mentally correct people who say I when it should be me and vice versa. But I wouldn’t do it out loud. I only do it out loud when watching TV.

shockthemonkey · 24/10/2023 07:21

I’d wait for him to make what they call a “hyper correction” (ie change from correct to incorrect due to being confused about basic grammar), then gleefully jump on him.

For example, you say “Mary told Bob and me that she is having lunch out” - boss rolls his eyes and says “Bob and I” and you say “actually no”, and whip out English Grammar for Dummies to teach him the difference between subject and object.

Almondmum · 24/10/2023 07:21

He's rude. And he's wrong by the sounds of it too.

What an idiot.

I agree with unnumber's posts wholeheartedly.

Wonkasworld · 24/10/2023 07:22

PosteriorPosterity · 24/10/2023 07:11

This. Your grammar might be insufferable worse than you think.

Then that's on the OP. Not patronising smug people, like you.

IncompleteSenten · 24/10/2023 07:28

If the way you speak (or dress or act for that matter) reflects badly on the business then it's ok for your boss to raise it politely. If not, then it's not ok.

Passepartoute · 24/10/2023 07:38

Read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves". Then when he comes up with mistaken corrections you can be sure about correcting him.

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