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Christmas Leave 'I have kids'

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paintityellow · 23/10/2023 15:03

Yes I know this comes up every year, but it's so bloody annoying. The Christmas leave list went around in September, with it being specified that priority for Christmas Day would be given to people who worked it last year.
Despite this we now have a couple of people really trying to pressure others to give up Christmas Day because 'I have kids'. One of these women has had the last 3 Christmas Days off, the other's kids are teenagers. One of the people they're trying to pressure wants to fly home to spend Christmas day with her parents, Another has no family in the area so also wants to travel home for Christmas. Both worked last year.
AIBU to find this attitude infuriating?

OP posts:
LoveTheDetectorists · 23/10/2023 22:26

Sheerdetermination · 23/10/2023 22:19

I feel SO lucky. IVF dc here. Never a day passes where I don’t thank my lucky stars. You’ll think I’m being smug, but I’m not.

That’s a disgraceful thing to say.
If MNHQ have any compassion they will take that down

JulianFawcettMP · 23/10/2023 22:26

@Sheerdetermination so you cannot construct an argument as to why. That speaks volumes to say the least

Honeychickpea · 23/10/2023 22:26

HunterHearstHelmsley · 23/10/2023 21:29

It's not primarily for children. It may be in your family but it really isn't. It's quite odd that people think it's primarily for children

It'll be quite funny if those parents are in their old age, spending Christmas alone because their children have prioritised someone else 🤣🤣 I wonder if they'll see the irony.

Edited

I suspect that user thinks it is not only primarily about children, it is even more primarily about HER children 😂

LoopyGremlin · 23/10/2023 22:27

Can't believe how many selfish people there are. As a teacher I'm lucky to have Christmas and NY of, but many friends and family are HCP and therefore have to work the festive period. The only fair way is on a rota. Everyone's Christmas is important to them and no one is less deserving of time off than anyone else. If I did have to work Christmas Day then I would happily do so if it was done fairly, despite the fact I have two kids.

Astonymission · 23/10/2023 22:28

Sheerdetermination · 23/10/2023 22:19

I feel SO lucky. IVF dc here. Never a day passes where I don’t thank my lucky stars. You’ll think I’m being smug, but I’m not.

You’d think with having IVF you’d be a bit more sympathetic to the fact there might be child free adults who wanted to have kids and can’t and now being told they must work all the Christmases because they didn’t have children.

Feeling lucky, fortunate and blessed is one thing, however being inconsiderate and lacking empathy for others situations and ,feeling superior and gloating is another thing completely.

jannier · 23/10/2023 22:29

Chickenkeev · 23/10/2023 19:33

A colleague doesn't owe someone else their mental health. The employer does.

Ok so the mental health of a colleague is of no importance but the parent wanting to please a child is sacrosanct.... unfortunately your argument is exactly why companies shouldn't give priority to parents as they do have a duty to their immediate employees not their offspring.

GettingStuffed · 23/10/2023 22:29

I used to work for a company that opened over Christmas. I'd always offer, despite having children, but because there's no public transport work had to supply a taxi both ways and once they found out the cost..... Never did work Christmas or boxing day.

FeverBeam · 23/10/2023 22:31

HunterHearstHelmsley · 23/10/2023 21:26

What happens if everyone in a team has young children? You can't prioritise those with young children over others with young children. Are the ones taking leave selfish to the others? Should all Christmas leave be banned?

I've worked in teams with a lot of parents. It wouldn't be unusual.

It's settled via a Hunger Games style contest.

Boymum2104 · 23/10/2023 22:31

I have always worked shift work. Christmas, bank holidays, weekends etc. No chance I will ever do that again whilst my son is young

bathrobeandpie · 23/10/2023 22:33

FeverBeam · 23/10/2023 22:31

It's settled via a Hunger Games style contest.

😂😂😂

that would be great for the poster banging on about "equity"
but I'd rather we take turn than joining Squid Game 😂😂

jannier · 23/10/2023 22:37

LilyRo · 23/10/2023 20:08

Television. Aside from the fact that there is news on Christmas Day, someone has to make sure that all the Christmas TV specials and films make it to air!

It's okay though the gas and electric workers are off for the day so no TV to watch....

LuluBlakey1 · 23/10/2023 22:37

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/10/2023 22:09

You very quickly get back to the argument about essential workers during Covid. The reality is, society only works if everyone does their bit. So at one level most people are ‘essential workers’. Want the police / hospitals / fire stations / care homes open? Then you need people to work in them. And you need heat, light, mobile and broadband to be working too, and people to answer the phone. You need people to be able to get to work, so fuel, taxis, busses. So that’s petrol stations, breakdown services, drivers. Then they need food and drink, so that’s convenience stores, take away, restaurants and fast food places. And the rubbish needs taking away. So refuse collectors and people to run the waste sites. More staff, chefs, waiting staff and dustmen. They need supplies ready for when they open the next day. So that’s lorry and van drivers. But the vehicles need loading, so that’s warehouses and staff. And they need systems, so that’s IT teams. It’d be quicker to list who doesn’t need to work. And that’s basically accountants and lawyers ;)

I don't agree at all. It's 2 days. You don't need half the things you mention.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/10/2023 22:41

LuluBlakey1 · 23/10/2023 22:37

I don't agree at all. It's 2 days. You don't need half the things you mention.

Great - which things aren’t needed?

Tinklyheadtilt · 23/10/2023 22:42

LoveTheDetectorists · 23/10/2023 22:26

That’s a disgraceful thing to say.
If MNHQ have any compassion they will take that down

I agree it's an appalling comment and I have reported it. You would think someone who had IVF would be more understanding.

Mindovermatter247 · 23/10/2023 22:42

I work in retail and have done for 18 years, almost 15 at my current job, I only ever ask for Boxing Day, I work mostly 7-12, sometimes an afternoon shift but never an afternoon shift on Christmas Eve. Sunday is one of my contracted days off, the other one varies. So naturally I have Christmas Eve off and we don’t have a delivery. (My department) so I will be getting 3 days in a row this year, which I can’t wait for. Every year we get Christmas temps, who then try to ask for Christmas off…. Then if they don’t get it they call sick so someone has to cover them.
we used to have the same rule as you op where for the full timers one year off, one year in, now they usually do it either Christmas Eve or Boxing Day and the same with new years,…
we had a few part timers that tried to request 4 consecutive years of Christmas week off. I have 2dc, I’ve never said I’ve got kids. Boxing Day is a big deal in our house, and aswell as that I live furthest away and the buses cost more on Boxing Day. It’s the only day I’ve ever requested off over Christmas. Some people are just selfish.

XenoBitch · 23/10/2023 22:46

FeverBeam · 23/10/2023 22:31

It's settled via a Hunger Games style contest.

Will this be televised? I would watch it 😅

Nurseywl · 23/10/2023 22:47

paintityellow · 23/10/2023 15:09

How is it compassionate to ask someone who wants to fly home to her family for Christmas not to do so. Or to expect someone to spend Christmas alone because you won't take your turn at working Christmas Day?

And it's my turn to work this year, so yes 'I'll do me'.. ie suck it up because I had last Christmas off.

@paintityellow because Christmas for a child is more significant than Christmas for an adult. An adult who can rationalise why someone may have to work. Surely that’s obvious?

snoreb · 23/10/2023 22:48

fitzwilliamdarcy · 23/10/2023 15:12

YANBU at all! This is the bane of my life - I’ve worked the last seven Christmases because I’m the only one on my team without kids, and my colleagues are entitled as fuck.

I’ve refused this year and the screams of outrage could be heard from space. Two of them have gone to HR. It’s bloody ridiculous.

I just hate the attitude that some workers are inherently lesser.

7 years on the bounce?? You are a saint!

notlucreziaborgia · 23/10/2023 22:50

Nurseywl · 23/10/2023 22:47

@paintityellow because Christmas for a child is more significant than Christmas for an adult. An adult who can rationalise why someone may have to work. Surely that’s obvious?

Even if you believe that to be true, how exactly is that the problem of those without children?

If not working over Christmas is important to you because of your children, don’t take a job that will require you to do so.

LoveTheDetectorists · 23/10/2023 22:58

snoreb · 23/10/2023 22:48

7 years on the bounce?? You are a saint!

I hope you hold your ground.
You can’t be discriminated against

LaurieStrode · 23/10/2023 23:00

Nurseywl · 23/10/2023 22:47

@paintityellow because Christmas for a child is more significant than Christmas for an adult. An adult who can rationalise why someone may have to work. Surely that’s obvious?

We don't agree in my family that Christmas is for children. In fact, in my extended family, there are very few children. Most of my cousins, and my sibling and I, are childfree. Yet we have glorious secular Christmas celebrations featuring elegant feasts, lots of champagne, dressy evenings with a fireplace and jazz versions of carols, sharing and poring over old photos, exchanging small gifts and all sorts of other activities. It's like a weeklong fest culminating in New Year's Eve or New Year's Day gatherings.

Kids can rip wrapping paper off a Lego box any day of the week.

Astonymission · 23/10/2023 23:02

LoveTheDetectorists · 23/10/2023 22:26

That’s a disgraceful thing to say.
If MNHQ have any compassion they will take that down

I wonder if the pp who were clamouring to accuse child free people of not being compassionate if they dare to take Christmas off and how “appalling” it is of them, will stay silent about this shameless display of insensitivity.

Good thing is this poster has illustrated clearly the “me me me,and mine mine mine” attitude some entitled parents have about them and their “little family”.

Once again, I’d sat it’s definitely not all or even most parents who hold this attitude thankfully.

Astonymission · 23/10/2023 23:07

Nurseywl · 23/10/2023 22:47

@paintityellow because Christmas for a child is more significant than Christmas for an adult. An adult who can rationalise why someone may have to work. Surely that’s obvious?

I don’t remember any of my friends with parents working on Christmas Day having a lasting or even momentary trauma from it. They worked around it, had dinner late or did a big breakfast before their parents left.

conversely, I do know some single childfree adults who live alone, who felt extremely isolated and lonely on Christmas when they’re unable to spend it with their family consecutive years on the trot and feel down at being told they have less priority than parent.

As pp pointed out Christmas is a time when a lot of loneliness is rife and mental health is affected. You are not being compassionate by only focusing on the needs of someone with kids.

Daleksatemyshed · 23/10/2023 23:12

Thank you to the parents who've been very fair about this issue. To the others, when you don't have DC it's very galling when every half term, every Christmas, Easter and Summer the same people try to play the I've got kids card and to Hell with everyone else.

TooOldForThisNonsense · 23/10/2023 23:26

Sheerdetermination · 23/10/2023 21:33

I’m not saying that, no. But personally, I’d always put a child’s needs above my own as an adult.

Your own child yes. Some random work colleague’s kids, no.

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