wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

[StrangerYears]

Clive and Iuliia Gurzhii were all over the news for 3 days in August, after idiotically going to give birth on a beach a long way from home.
The birth was unwitnessed and very odd circumstances.
I googled them and all I could find was a gofundme (never saw that one coming!!) - it raised GBP128 out of an ambitious target of GBP15.000.

Do you think they are still out there?

@MadeOfAllWork yes it can still be trafficking. The trafficking part refers to transporting people around. It's usually done with consent, albeit with those requesting it not necessarily having all the information for it to be informed consent (eg who agreed to be taken hidden in lorries for a fee, and not aware of how dangerous it is)

Where the hell is their money coming from... boats do not just float around for free, and whilst you could feasibly fish for some protein, you need to buy other food, water, boat maintenance...

If they hadn't been caught smuggling people (which I assume was one of their income streams) I would think eventually the boat would sink... in fact I really am surprised they've managed to survive this long!

This would make a good film!

The problem with a film is you need a sympathetic character. Clive would not be a good lead.

@RedToothBrush loving the oh god it’s Clive. There’s some file currently being passed around legal department and everyone groaning.
It’s not really been picked up in press. If you google it’s mainly the mumsnet threads.
There was an all sorts dug up on previous threads - a dangerous driving conviction with his eldest girl in car and some controversy over a running competition.
At this rate the baby could grow up and not legally exist.

Clive likes a good tantrum doesn't he?

I think a film is workable actually. You do it from Iuliia's pov as some kind of victim and Clive as an anti-hero villain. Film4 would love the misery of it. It's a shame Clive is British because some subtitles in there would have just added to the effect.

https://judicial.ky/wp-content/uploads/courts/summary-court/SummaryCourtList-August2,2024ChiefMagistrateHernandez.pdf

How did you find this?

https://www.caymancompass.com/2024/07/31/human-smuggling-questions-for-british-yachters-after-brac-landing/

Ignore that last link as it was posted further up the thread sorry!

https://www.caymancompass.com/2024/09/04/ethiopians-testify-of-harrowing-yacht-journey-in-human-smuggling-case/

Wow.

Chief Magistrate Angelyn Hernandez told the foreign pair – who refused to be represented by a lawyer or defend themselves – that she had considered the evidence presented to the court.

And

The pair earlier denied the legitimacy of the court and insisted they did not recognise its authority

Then there's the details of what they were up to.

Would explain where income has come from.

Can they sentence people who refuse to give their names even though the court knows full well who they are? It's fascinating in a fucked up way, but I hope someone appropriate is looking after the baby. And the kid in the UK. They are not to blame for the utter batshittery of the parents. If indeed they are the parents. If they trafficked the men, and by not taking them to where they'd agreed and paid for, it could be said that they did, they could well have trafficked the baby.

Thanks for sharing @taxnotme. I can’t believe it’s not been picked up by mainstream media.
It sounds like he’s been making a living people smuggling.
Where is baby if they are in cells? Assume in an orphanage there.. and oldest daughter back in Tameside.

I think the circumstances of the older daughter are probably best left private (some posts on this or earlier threads hint at a likely scenario)

Refusing to acknowledge a court's authority in straight from the Freeman Of The Land playbook, and never gets anyone the result they were after.

It must be a massive headache for officials. I’d guess baby is still no birth cert or passport (as she was born at sea and last update on that was the Caribbean country they had sailed to wanted a dna test and they had refused and sailed off) they can’t just repatriate baby to England to be looked after by family or foster care here.

Hernandez asked the man, 52, and his wife, 39, who appeared by video link from George Town’s Summary Court cells after they were removed from the courtroom for disruptive behaviour, if they wanted to give evidence in their defence.
The pair earlier denied the legitimacy of the court and insisted they did not recognise its authority. They did not enter plea.

Wow. They are the gift that keeps on giving, aren't they ?
Good spot @taxnotme

On a more serious note, I hope their poor children have someone with more than an ounce of parenting ability looking after them.

the two, who cannot be identified for legal reasons:....

Does that mean there are more charges pending, I wonder?

But really, on the evidence of this and the previous thread, he who can't be identified for legal reasons appears to be both inept and unpleasant.

I suspect it's just because they refused to give their names so they aren't on record.

I just don’t understand how any woman could find Clive attractive? I don’t mean physically but attractive as husband/father material. I mean surely, you’d just want to be with your kids, and when you realise it’s all gone pear shaped and you are pretty permanently separated from your child in the UK, surely then you go ‘pack it in Clive, and if you don’t, I’m out of here in a millisecond so I can get back to my daughter in the UK and will happily provide my DNA so I can take my new baby back (if indeed it was actually her baby???)’. How on earth does Iuliia find Clive so attractive as a man that she is prepared to give up her child/children for him? What am I missing?

Blimey!

It's the story that keeps on giving!

Poor men on the yaught and that couple's poor kids

He's a one man cult and she has Stockholm syndrome, probably.

I find it hard to believe that the second daughter hasn't been trafficked at this point.

I find it hard to believe that the second daughter hasn't been trafficked at this point.

I suppose by now the Cayman authorities will have established whether she is their biological child.