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AIBU?

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Why is it always men?

207 replies

bobcat2424 · 17/10/2023 12:37

I think IABU, I hope so but it seems as though every single news story, every horrible brutality; wars, murders, rape, abuse... in the very large part of it seems to be caused by men. Am I wrong to think this?

OP posts:
Chickenkeev · 17/10/2023 21:41

Forgive my ignorance here, and sorry if i'm wrong, but did Thatcher not start the Falklands?

Winnipeggy · 17/10/2023 21:54

Catza · 17/10/2023 13:01

It's not always men. There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman. Men are typically reluctant to come forward in these situations which skews the stats.
Plenty of female murderers as well - see recent news story about Lucy Letby, for example. Beverly Allit, Aileen Wournos, Juana Barraza...
Plenty of terror acts in which women were active participants as well as women being perpetrators of sexual assault.
The news don't always show the full picture. If you can get a hold of official crime statistics, you may find that it is not quite so clear cut.

Aileen Wuornos committed murder in 1989....how many male murderers do you think have been convicted since then?

Isometimeswonder · 17/10/2023 21:58

Lucy letby

Fionaville · 17/10/2023 22:03

Chickenkeev · 17/10/2023 21:41

Forgive my ignorance here, and sorry if i'm wrong, but did Thatcher not start the Falklands?

You're quite right, I only had May and Truss in mind.

Fionaville · 17/10/2023 22:05

GilChesterton13 · 17/10/2023 21:39

Well no, they aren't good examples, but then they didn't start any wars either.

If you deindustrialise Britain's regions, devastate employment opportunities for a generatoon, and tank the UK economy you've probably done enough damage without starting a war.

I'm definitely no fan of the female PMs we've had. They are all products of a male dominated political world though. We're obviously only the most rancid of females can get through to the very top. That's my take on it.

Chickenkeev · 17/10/2023 22:06

Isometimeswonder · 17/10/2023 21:58

Lucy letby

Is one of a very very small number of female serial killers. And even outside of that fact, the vast majority of murders are committed by men. Referencing one particularly depraved individual who happened to be female is of no relevance at all. The bald fact of it is, men kill much, much more than women. So chucking LL in there is pointless if you're attempting to say women are as bad as men in this regard. It is simply, demonstrably not true.

GilChesterton13 · 17/10/2023 22:06

Forgive my ignorance here, and sorry if i'm wrong, but did Thatcher not start the Falklands?

Think it depends who you ask regarding 'starting' it - Argentina's invasion was the inciting incident, but Thatcher was an extremely belligerent war leader (which some give her great credit for).

Sheselectric22 · 17/10/2023 22:06

To the posters going on about lots domestic abuse being perpetrated by women. Sorry can't remember who said it think it was a couple of posters. As a specialist in domestic abuse who has not only done the job for a long time but has been involved in some of the world leading research and development of services and policies, your incorrect. Yes.. some women do abuse men in a relationship but it's very very rare. More likely it's situational couple violence which is a newish concept and not fully understood, often it's reactionary, often it's a consequence of other factors such a substance misuse. Domestic abuse is totally different to couples conflict and this is misunderstood. Out and out domestic abuse where the goal is power and control is almost always carried out by men. Violence within relationships is almost always perpetrated by men. It's vanishingly rare to come across a woman who violent to their partner in isolation. I'm not condoning any violence or victim blaming but it's not true to say lots of women are domestically abusive.

Redlarge · 17/10/2023 22:08

Catza · 17/10/2023 13:01

It's not always men. There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman. Men are typically reluctant to come forward in these situations which skews the stats.
Plenty of female murderers as well - see recent news story about Lucy Letby, for example. Beverly Allit, Aileen Wournos, Juana Barraza...
Plenty of terror acts in which women were active participants as well as women being perpetrators of sexual assault.
The news don't always show the full picture. If you can get a hold of official crime statistics, you may find that it is not quite so clear cut.

Its just always nearly always men. It just is. Always has been, always will.

Chickenkeev · 17/10/2023 22:08

GilChesterton13 · 17/10/2023 22:06

Forgive my ignorance here, and sorry if i'm wrong, but did Thatcher not start the Falklands?

Think it depends who you ask regarding 'starting' it - Argentina's invasion was the inciting incident, but Thatcher was an extremely belligerent war leader (which some give her great credit for).

Thanks! Will have to educate myself!

Redlarge · 17/10/2023 22:09

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 14:08

There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman.

A lot 😂
I think you mean "a few".

Minimal in comparison and often 'reactive' to a life of torture and hell.

TheaBrandt · 17/10/2023 22:09

The women are basically the exceptions that prove the rule.

Redlarge · 17/10/2023 22:10

Sayitaintso33 · 17/10/2023 14:22

Women cause most of the aggravation in my family. That's not as bad as violence or sexual violence, but it is still aggravating.

Being aggrivated vs being at risk of death or rape. Mmmmm its a fine line isnt it.

Morewineplease10 · 17/10/2023 22:10

Of course yanbu.

It is always almost men.

GilChesterton13 · 17/10/2023 22:12

Lucy letby

Harold Shipman

HRTQueen · 17/10/2023 22:17

Far far more men than women are violent

far far more men created destruction and suffering

far far more men want to control and creat tensions and start wars

far far more men make decisions that lead to financial suffering because of their own greed

far far more men have the power to make changes to make more peoples lives more comfortable but choose not to

that a small percentage are women who create such harm does not take away the FACT that men cause far far more suffering

and ffs just for once look to the wrongs of so much male violent behaviour

toonnoot · 17/10/2023 22:18

I was just saying this to DH. Can't help but feel if all the aggressive men in the world vanished, society would be much better for it. I can't imagine many women knowingly committing acts of war that kill children, men in charge however don't think twice.

CuriousGeorge80 · 17/10/2023 22:19

Not all men. But usually men, and far too often.
Not always women and children who are their victims: but usually, and far too often.
War, terror, domestic abuse, rape, sexual assault, child abuse.

PlipPlopChoo · 17/10/2023 22:20

So you missed the recent newstory about a nurse then?

DiaryOfaTTCer · 17/10/2023 22:20

OP I think about this all the time

Murderers
Rapists
Paedophiles
Dictators
Serial killers
War lords
Knife crime
Terrorists
Human trafficking

They're nearly ALWAYS men.

And when it happens to be a woman it usually makes the news because it's so out of the norm

The older I get the more fearful I am of men in general

CurlewKate · 17/10/2023 22:23

Both Thatcher and May were intended to be stop gap prime ministers - to take the flack until the situation calmed down and they would be replaced by another, male, candidate. Thatcher refused to play the Kingmakers' games. May tried not to but she wasn't clever, or Machiavellian, enough. Truss? Fuck knows. Collective insanity?

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 22:23

PlipPlopChoo · 17/10/2023 22:20

So you missed the recent newstory about a nurse then?

So you missed how women are responsible for less than 7% of all murders then?

Chickenkeev · 17/10/2023 22:28

PlipPlopChoo · 17/10/2023 22:20

So you missed the recent newstory about a nurse then?

Ffs, really? REALLY! When OP says 'always men', it's clear she means overwhelmingly men. I assume you're trying (and failing) to be funny or something?

Panaa · 17/10/2023 22:31

Catza · 17/10/2023 13:01

It's not always men. There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman. Men are typically reluctant to come forward in these situations which skews the stats.
Plenty of female murderers as well - see recent news story about Lucy Letby, for example. Beverly Allit, Aileen Wournos, Juana Barraza...
Plenty of terror acts in which women were active participants as well as women being perpetrators of sexual assault.
The news don't always show the full picture. If you can get a hold of official crime statistics, you may find that it is not quite so clear cut.

Women are typically reluctant to come forward also so I don't think the stats are skewed at all.

Gingernaut · 17/10/2023 22:41

Catza · 17/10/2023 13:01

It's not always men. There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman. Men are typically reluctant to come forward in these situations which skews the stats.
Plenty of female murderers as well - see recent news story about Lucy Letby, for example. Beverly Allit, Aileen Wournos, Juana Barraza...
Plenty of terror acts in which women were active participants as well as women being perpetrators of sexual assault.
The news don't always show the full picture. If you can get a hold of official crime statistics, you may find that it is not quite so clear cut.

It's nearly always men, then

There are not 'plenty' of female murderers, 93% of all convicted murderers are men