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AIBU?

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Why is it always men?

207 replies

bobcat2424 · 17/10/2023 12:37

I think IABU, I hope so but it seems as though every single news story, every horrible brutality; wars, murders, rape, abuse... in the very large part of it seems to be caused by men. Am I wrong to think this?

OP posts:
YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/10/2023 13:44

Women must be very good at hiding the bodies if they are killing their current or former partners as frequently as men

I thought we traditionally used patios?

findingithardertoday · 17/10/2023 13:52

It's mainly men, but not always. One PP made a point about genocides being men. Perhaps this is true when it is unstructured violence in a wave like Rwanda in the 1990s. However the holocaust was mechanised and functioned with the aid and collaboration of thousands involved in its administration and operation (and note the prosecutions of female secretaries handling the office paperwork for example).

Normalsizedsalad · 17/10/2023 13:53

bobcat2424 · 17/10/2023 12:37

I think IABU, I hope so but it seems as though every single news story, every horrible brutality; wars, murders, rape, abuse... in the very large part of it seems to be caused by men. Am I wrong to think this?

Large of it is caused by power.
Either power by strenght or position. Men are stronger and usually in leader positions hence why it's them.
If women were as strong and usually in leader positions we would be the ones being moaned about.
Power demands more power and is very greedy. More more more

qwertyuiopasdfgh · 17/10/2023 13:57

On the other hand, women are biologically more nurturing. We have to be, so we don't kill the kids.

AirGapped · 17/10/2023 14:01

Actually I think women are statistically more likely to kill their own children than men are.

ETA: likely for different reasons

GilChesterton13 · 17/10/2023 14:04

If women were as strong and usually in leader positions we would be the ones being moaned about.

Unfortunately the female leaders we've had in this country have either been destructive or epoch-definingly useless, but prominent 'western' female leaders have tended towards left or center left progressiveness.

Syrupyslop · 17/10/2023 14:06

AirGapped · 17/10/2023 14:01

Actually I think women are statistically more likely to kill their own children than men are.

ETA: likely for different reasons

Edited

I have no idea if this is true or not, but presumably the context is that women are far more likely to be the sole caregivers ( single parents), primary care givers ( have greater custody at separation or still spend most time with the children if still in a couple).

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:07

ComtesseDeSpair · 17/10/2023 13:11

Testosterone is a powerful drug. Plus there are relatively few societies which don’t socialise boys to grow up thinking that physical strength and some level of aggression are desirable masculine traits.

To be fair they are desirable masculine traits. I would go further and say they are mandatory. Without physical strength and some level of aggression, men wouldn’t be able to do the work they do which means this world can function. I don’t see women in general digging up roads, working on oil rigs or getting up at 5am to drive a lorry.

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 14:08

There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman.

A lot 😂
I think you mean "a few".

Catza · 17/10/2023 14:09

Syrupyslop · 17/10/2023 13:39

Your own figure of nine out of ten sex offenders being male is still mostly men committing these crimes, isn’t it?

Why do you think men have not created refuges all over the country for men fleeing women who want to kill them? It’s because there is not a demand for this.

Actually, there is every demand for this and the first woman who created a refuge for men in London was ostracised by feminist circles. Erin Pizzey: The woman who looked beyond the bruises - BBC News

As someone who used to work with male victims of DV, I can vouch that the demand is there but not he provision. These men have absolutely nowhere to turn and often cannot even go as far as disclose to their friends and relatives because they are being mocked for "not standing up to a woman".

Woman with black eyes

Erin Pizzey: The woman who looked beyond the bruises

In 1971, Erin Pizzey set up the first domestic abuse shelter. Why is she now a men's rights advocate?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59064064

NotSuchASmugMarried · 17/10/2023 14:10

wombat1a · 17/10/2023 13:39

Strangly enough, my experience is that where I live the majority of domestic abuse is performed by the women in the relationship - very little is done by the men.

Bar far more men petition for divorce here for DA reasons than women as well.

Goodness! Where do you live?

Cazzovuoi · 17/10/2023 14:10

It’s nearly always the men in positions of responsibility and power.

Men are the problem and if you say “but” then you don’t get it.

Deathbyfluffy · 17/10/2023 14:10

Catza · 17/10/2023 13:33

Is it though?
Peer reviewed research shows that incidents of domestic violence are almost equally split between rates of male and female perpetrators (actually slightly higher incidents of female-perpetrated abuse)
There are more males in the criminal justice system than females but this doesn't mean men commit more or fewer crimes, just that they may be more frequently charged and persecuted.
Here is a link to meta-analysis reporting that over 11% of sexual offences are perpetrated by women The Proportion of Sexual Offenders Who Are Female Is Higher Than Thought: A Meta-Analysis - Franca Cortoni, Kelly M. Babchishin, Clémence Rat, 2017 (sagepub.com)
A question of who starts wars is a question of who is typically in power. If fewer women are holding positions of power, then it would be expected that statistics of war crime and genocide are skewed to look like it is "mostly men" who are perpetrators.
It's neither "always men" nor "always women" but I think we highly underestimate the role women play in perpetrating crime.

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good man-bashing thread - it's been at least 12 hours since the last one!

Deathbyfluffy · 17/10/2023 14:11

And to the OP, no - it's not always men.
I'm a male victim of domestic violence - if you like I'll paint you a picture and show you the scars from what I went through in the past.

Deathbyfluffy · 17/10/2023 14:11

Cazzovuoi · 17/10/2023 14:10

It’s nearly always the men in positions of responsibility and power.

Men are the problem and if you say “but” then you don’t get it.

I'll say but - but I was abused by a woman for many years, mentally and physically.
What excuse have you got in the bag for that then?

Cazzovuoi · 17/10/2023 14:15

@Deathbyfluffy I said “nearly always”. I’m sorry for your experiences truly but you are in a vanishingly small comparative group.

Men in power cause wars.

DelightfullyDotty · 17/10/2023 14:15

I once read a book about hormones and their effects (can’t remember what it was called) and it said that it isn’t testosterone alone that causes aggression, but testosterone and stress hormones in combination.

It’s perhaps also a reaction to the hormones of others and the circumstances. I say this because I have two male dogs who started fighting as soon as the younger dog reached adolescence. Younger dog was neutered and the fighting stopped within three days. Older dog is still intact and is extremely calm around people and all other dogs regardless of whether they’re intact or not. Neutered dog is far less calm. No I’m not sure what I’m trying to say either🤣

Cazzovuoi · 17/10/2023 14:16

@DelightfullyDotty lets castrate them? 😂

FuckedOff11 · 17/10/2023 14:16

The fact a minority of women also abuse doesn't change the fact that its, in the huge majority, mainly men.

Abuse from anyone toward anyone is awful. But it's ludicrous to suggest there isn't a real issue in not only this country, but the world, with male violence that just is not seen in women to anywhere near the same extent.

csiaddict · 17/10/2023 14:16

Heard this interesting book being discussed by the authors on the radio (Times Radio https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/show/20231014-21262/2023-10-14
at 2:19:00 which may be of interest, discusses how we started off equal but this was suppressed once agriculture was developed and how violence and oppression are not inevitable/biological but a product of our society.
https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/why-men/

Why Men? | Hurst Publishers

Are war and inequality inevitable, because evolution made men competitive and dominant? Think again with this entertaining yet powerful new history of ‘true’ human nature.

https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/why-men

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 14:17

AirGapped · 17/10/2023 14:01

Actually I think women are statistically more likely to kill their own children than men are.

ETA: likely for different reasons

Edited

You're wrong, seriously wrong.

The stats on infanticide are that fathers are significantly more likely to kill their own children than mothers are.

Although, when you look at female murderers as a population, the majority of them have killed their own children rather than any other people. Women are indeed more likely to kill their own baby when compared to how likely they are to kill anyone.

Female murderers however make up about 7% of the population of murderers overall. So 93% of murderers are male, who they are guilty of killing children, adult men, and adult women.
Adult male murderers are more likely to kill other adult men, and less likely to kill babies than kill other men, but still kill babies more than mothers do.

megletthesecond · 17/10/2023 14:18

Yanbu. The reckless driving, drug dealing, flytipping etc round here. Almost all men.

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:18

Cazzovuoi · 17/10/2023 14:15

@Deathbyfluffy I said “nearly always”. I’m sorry for your experiences truly but you are in a vanishingly small comparative group.

Men in power cause wars.

Women rulers are more likely to declare war than males.

DelightfullyDotty · 17/10/2023 14:19

Cazzovuoi · 17/10/2023 14:16

@DelightfullyDotty lets castrate them? 😂

Well it’s not a bad idea for certain individuals😁.

Fionaville · 17/10/2023 14:19

It's definitely mostly men. My DH says to our son and daughter that the world would be a better place if women ruled it. I think most reasonable men who watched the news would agree. War, murders, rape, basically all of the heinous crimes are committed by men, with a few exceptions. I say this with a wonderful husband, son, dad, brother etc. I think they'd all agree that men are the main problem.