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AIBU?

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Why is it always men?

207 replies

bobcat2424 · 17/10/2023 12:37

I think IABU, I hope so but it seems as though every single news story, every horrible brutality; wars, murders, rape, abuse... in the very large part of it seems to be caused by men. Am I wrong to think this?

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WestwardHo1 · 17/10/2023 14:20

Look at the statistics. No it's not ALWAYS men. But given the vast numbers, it almost always is.

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 14:20

Women rulers are more likely to declare war than males.
Women are vanishingly less likely to be rulers in the first place so the stats are practically much irrelevant

Sayitaintso33 · 17/10/2023 14:22

Women cause most of the aggravation in my family. That's not as bad as violence or sexual violence, but it is still aggravating.

Syrupyslop · 17/10/2023 14:24

Catza · 17/10/2023 14:09

Actually, there is every demand for this and the first woman who created a refuge for men in London was ostracised by feminist circles. Erin Pizzey: The woman who looked beyond the bruises - BBC News

As someone who used to work with male victims of DV, I can vouch that the demand is there but not he provision. These men have absolutely nowhere to turn and often cannot even go as far as disclose to their friends and relatives because they are being mocked for "not standing up to a woman".

If we did not have DV refuges for women, many of those women would be murdered. Refuges are not nice cosy places for recovery, they exist to stop women being killed, and being murdered after they leave.

To be blunt, if there is such s lack of provision for men, but still the great need that you claim, where are all the dead men?

There are not the dead men, as they are not being killed by their female partners.

i don’t doubt that there are men who are abused, (but I do think the pattern of female to male abuse is very different from the pattern of violence to women.), and I think there should be support for these men. But your attempts to claim some kind of parity in male and female experiences of DV, with just male shame hiding the equality, is just plain wrong.

This is not a case of the stats hiding the reality. This is just a case of the reality being different for the two sexes.

WestwardHo1 · 17/10/2023 14:25

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:18

Women rulers are more likely to declare war than males.

Not sure you can extrapolate much from this (where did you get it from anyway?). In the whole of human history, there have been very very few women leaders. And many of them don't get to positions of power, without demonstrating very "male" traits - they have to almost out-male the males in order to demonstrate their capacity to lead.

Cherryontwop · 17/10/2023 14:27

It's a bit like when people suggest a large, strong and aggressive Bully XL is the exact same as a small angry jack Russell. Yeah they can both bite. Which ones more likely to kill you though.

Not always, but ALMOST always men.

ginasevern · 17/10/2023 14:28

It is mostly men and women who kill hit the headlines big style for a reason. It is also almost exclusively men involved in the most horrific animal abuse. I'm talking about the torture and rape of defenceless creatures which they film and share with other "mostly" men.

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:29

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 14:20

Women rulers are more likely to declare war than males.
Women are vanishingly less likely to be rulers in the first place so the stats are practically much irrelevant

Ok we just had a female ruler until recently but anyway 🤷🏻‍♀️ continue with the victim mindset

I suspect “irrelevant” because you don’t want to hear it

Women are careless with violence and aggression because we suffer fewer consequences. I have seen women wage psychological warfare on both men and women.

If people are allowed to complain on here about “there are lots of rapes that aren’t reported” then can we also acknowledge aggression from women (towards both sexes, old people and children)is not uncommon?

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:34

WestwardHo1 · 17/10/2023 14:25

Not sure you can extrapolate much from this (where did you get it from anyway?). In the whole of human history, there have been very very few women leaders. And many of them don't get to positions of power, without demonstrating very "male" traits - they have to almost out-male the males in order to demonstrate their capacity to lead.

University of Chicago
Leadership is a masculine trait so yes you’re right.
But the suggestion is that women are more reckless with aggression because the consequences for us are less serious.

IDidntKnowMyOwnStrength · 17/10/2023 14:37

We would never have got to where we are now if men were not programmed to be who they are. It served a purpose at the beginning of evolution, same as the fight or flight response,but is now surplus to requirements. I don't know what the answer is, some men do put this energy to good use, such as the job they do, whilst others use as a negative force.
I think though the biggest mistake women make is expecting men to think and act like they do, it's never going to happen.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 17/10/2023 14:38

bobcat2424 · 17/10/2023 12:37

I think IABU, I hope so but it seems as though every single news story, every horrible brutality; wars, murders, rape, abuse... in the very large part of it seems to be caused by men. Am I wrong to think this?

Nope not at all. How often is a "terrorist" female? Very rarely.

Syrupyslop · 17/10/2023 14:43

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:29

Ok we just had a female ruler until recently but anyway 🤷🏻‍♀️ continue with the victim mindset

I suspect “irrelevant” because you don’t want to hear it

Women are careless with violence and aggression because we suffer fewer consequences. I have seen women wage psychological warfare on both men and women.

If people are allowed to complain on here about “there are lots of rapes that aren’t reported” then can we also acknowledge aggression from women (towards both sexes, old people and children)is not uncommon?

This is simply made up. Since 1960 only 59 of 195 countries in the world have had a female in the highest position of executive power. So yes, very much a minority and that minority will still be a very much higher rate than for the rest of human history

women are careless with aggression as we suffer fewer consequences?! Where do you get this from?! Women are more likely to try to appease men for fear of the consequence of an angry man.

Aggression from women is less common than that from men and of is of less violence. I can’t think of a single measure to counter this.

Normalsizedsalad · 17/10/2023 14:45

enchantedsquirrelwood · 17/10/2023 14:38

Nope not at all. How often is a "terrorist" female? Very rarely.

ISIS had plenty

Graciebobcat · 17/10/2023 14:45

Catza · 17/10/2023 13:01

It's not always men. There a re a lot of domestic abuse cases where the perpetrator is a woman. Men are typically reluctant to come forward in these situations which skews the stats.
Plenty of female murderers as well - see recent news story about Lucy Letby, for example. Beverly Allit, Aileen Wournos, Juana Barraza...
Plenty of terror acts in which women were active participants as well as women being perpetrators of sexual assault.
The news don't always show the full picture. If you can get a hold of official crime statistics, you may find that it is not quite so clear cut.

Yeah but come on. Those stories about female child killers and abusers etc get reported because they are so bloody unusual.

It is almost always men, like in the high 90s of % of the time.

Graciebobcat · 17/10/2023 14:47

I mean look at the prison population.

If it's not men committing most violent crime then they are seriously rubbish at being caught.

AirGapped · 17/10/2023 14:48

Circumferences · 17/10/2023 14:17

You're wrong, seriously wrong.

The stats on infanticide are that fathers are significantly more likely to kill their own children than mothers are.

Although, when you look at female murderers as a population, the majority of them have killed their own children rather than any other people. Women are indeed more likely to kill their own baby when compared to how likely they are to kill anyone.

Female murderers however make up about 7% of the population of murderers overall. So 93% of murderers are male, who they are guilty of killing children, adult men, and adult women.
Adult male murderers are more likely to kill other adult men, and less likely to kill babies than kill other men, but still kill babies more than mothers do.

Edited

I’m seriously pleased to be wrong! Thanks for setting it straight.

ginasevern · 17/10/2023 14:48

@IDidntKnowMyOwnStrength

I agree with your last sentence. Men will never think and act like us. They are basically not programmed to be nurturing or monogamous. They are designed for survival through physical strength and to sow their seed as often as possible. This is not a male apologist comment, it is just the conclusion I have come to after sixty plus years on this planet. I know, I'm slow on the uptake.

Graciebobcat · 17/10/2023 14:48

Siameasy · 17/10/2023 14:34

University of Chicago
Leadership is a masculine trait so yes you’re right.
But the suggestion is that women are more reckless with aggression because the consequences for us are less serious.

Leadership is not a male trait.

Cosycover · 17/10/2023 14:54

Don't know what people are trying to achieve on here with its 'women too'.

Such bullshit.

99.9% its men.

Don't see many videos on tiktok of women being arrested for meeting 14 year olds in hotels.

TeaGinandFags · 17/10/2023 14:56

Not most men but enough of them to be a problem.

Incidentally in the prison estate only 4% deals with female offenders. Of those incarcerated, most are prosdies or didn't pay their tv licence.

CurlewKate · 17/10/2023 15:00

Because male violence is a huge issue that nobody, including men, seem prepared to address.

And no, not all men are violent, of course they're not. But most violence is perpetrated by men.

coxesorangepippin · 17/10/2023 15:01

For the vast majority of the time, it's men

AGAbaker · 17/10/2023 15:01

Zzzzz

jane1956 · 17/10/2023 15:04

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GilChesterton13 · 17/10/2023 15:10

Incidentally in the prison estate only 4% deals with female offenders. Of those incarcerated, most are prosdies or didn't pay their tv licence.

I was all set to type a haughty that-sounds-nonsense reply, but its totally right.

I mean it still sounds like nonsense, but it isn't.