If you are anti-Zionist, what do you think Israel should do?

[Poudretteite]

Should Israel open its borders? Be given back to the Palestinian people? Where should the Jewish people go? What about the high risk of genocide?

Interested to hear as many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

I would imagine because other countries allowed the nazis to round them up, transport them to concentration camps where they murdered in their millions.
The idea behind Israel is that never again would they be dependent on non-Jews to protect them. They would have their own state, where they could protect themselves. I mean we're talking about centuries of generational trauma here.
They weren't in an ideal world. And the world has, and continues to let them down, in so many ways.
It should never have been allowed to get to this point. To the point where thousands of innocent people are dying. It suited too many different world players for the status quo to continue.

That sounds like a job for the Palestinians.

Why do they need one?

Let me know what part of your hateful comment you are assigning to me. Vile.

I know Zionism had been around for decades before 1948. What I was wondering was why the Zionists thought the Arabs/muslims in the Middle East would tolerate it. Why would they hand over land conquered by Islam to former dhimmis? Or allow it to happen and just peacefully get on with their lives forever after? It seems about the most out of character thing they could possibly do.

Wow. Coffee check the news maybe.

Why are you commenting on this if you've never heard the answer to that question before?

You seem to be assuming that the US government just owns some tract of land large enough to be a whole country?

What about the current owners and occupiers of that land?

Why not give that to the Palestinians rather than the Israelis? Both have historic links to the land they are currently in.

The UK didn't actually support and condone the nazis.🙄

Funnily enough, despite endlessly losing their property, homes and livelihoods none of them have ever turned into revolutionaries - headed for the caring professions in general.

There are almost certainly quite a few Palestinians who are not revolutionaries as well as some Jewish/Israeli's who are.

As a pp pointed out Israel itself and its aggressive defence of its own interests is probably motivated by the need to be defended against another genocide attempt

What about the high risk of genocide?

You mean like the genocide that is occurring in Palestine right now? The one where Israel is using white phosphorus to burn women and children? The one where Israel tells Palestinians to evacuate and then bombs them as they try to move?

If you are insinuating that one set of lives should be protected from genocide, over another set, then humanity itself has devolved and we are f**d as a civilization.

I have checked the news. Having their own state doesn't seem to be making them any safer.

We don't need little Middle Easts in every western country.

Reported.

I was responding to the idea that Jewish people could have built up communities in other countries.
You can't see beyond your own prejudice. Also, the UK wasn't the only country involved in WW2

That's not an answer to the question of why the Jews needed their own state. A question you already know the answer to.

Fascinating. I didn't know that. It really is just about not wanting a Jewish state, specifically, isn't it?

I didn't say it was the only country in WW2.😕

@1415isgreat
"Stamford hill? Manchester? America?"

Are you seriously suggesting all Jews up and move to these places? Would you like us to rename one of them Ghetto as well? You think Jews historically have more of a link to Manchester than to Jerusalem? Why on earth would we all up and move there? Why can't we just stay where we are and others just stop try to kill us?

I am NOT saying Jews have more of a right to Israel than anyone else but we sure as hell don't have less of a right to it.

Yes.

The limited cultural and historical knowledge on this thread is unreal. For some people the history of Israel seems to start in the 30s. It is such a limited, narrow understanding of a very complex issue and helps no one in the long run.

The essential problem is that neither party in this dispute trusts each other at all- with good reason. And the Iran sponsored slaughter begun by Hamas was always about destabilising the peace process that might have led to a two state solution.

Make no mistake about Hamas’ aims- they are very open about the genocide the wish to commit. I worry that if Israel fights back too hard now then Iran will use it as an excuse to wade in more openly.

What is terrifying is that this is all being pushed by hardline extremism but barely anyone is openly admitting that. It does feel like the banner of ‘Free Palestine’ is using civilians as cover for the worst kind of hatred and bigotry and making it excusable to call for the eradication of an entire people while excusing all acts of agression by Hamas. I have seen so much ‘But Isreal’ in the last week.

If you can’t see that this is what Hamas wanted all along then you’ve only been paying attention for the last five minutes and only reading incredibly biased information.

Can you explain what you meant by "The UK didn't actually support and condone the nazis.🙄" in the context of my post then?

Sorry - I was being rhetorical... should have made that clearer. I just find it interesting that a large number people don't seem to realise that Israelis have just as many historical links and ties to the area as Palestinians. It feels like they reckon a random bunch of people just decided one day to annex Cornwall having never been there before.

I'd say most of the pro Palestinian crowd believe the Jews lived there 2000 years ago, got kicked out, then all tried to go back after 1945, stole the natives' land at gunpoint, and the locals were understandably upset

That sounds like a job for the Palestinians

Er.. the Palestinians aren’t building Israeli settlements, the Israeli's are.