If you are anti-Zionist, what do you think Israel should do?

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Should Israel open its borders? Be given back to the Palestinian people? Where should the Jewish people go? What about the high risk of genocide?

Interested to hear as many people over the last few days have said they are anti-Zionist and that it's different to antisemitism.

@LemonyTicket time and time again you victim blame and lump all Palestinians into Hamas in order to justify the oppressive actions of Israel. It goes way beyond merely 'protecting' itself. 50% of the occupants of the open air prison are children. What about Israel's policy of calorific rationing?
And to label Amnesty as "PRO Palestinian" is nothing short of hilarious. You think anyone who speaks against Israel is simply pro Palestine and/or antisemitic. You have not ONCE on any thread been able to objectively speak about the human rights violations. Have a sit down with your human rights barrister husband, you might learn something.

@Bumbamtamytam the point is Turkey is yet another country in the region where you can safely be Muslim. You’re correct that there is a tiny Jewish population in Turkey which is different to zero Jews in the other countries. I can’t comment on the extent to which Turkish Jews feel safe and welcome.

Q. Why is the government of Gaza not providing better contraceptive facilities/access so people can control the size of their families, and are better able to care for them?

A. Because they want to breed more terrorists

Truth hurts doesn't it?

Don’t be such a 🤡

@bananasplitsarefab another lovely example of victim blaming children. Should I say what about the Haredim in Jerusalem who are living in poverty because they have more children than they can feed? Should I say their government should be doing more to provide contraception? No, because that isn't the issue here. That is deflecting, which is constantly happening when the human rights violations are mentioned.
Israel historically have and continue to employ actions that are intended to oppress a people. Not merely protect themselves. Do you think any of the actions of the last 6 days have been 'proportional?'
I met some Jews in Israel who said they didn't care about the plight of the Palestinians because the most important thing to them was the right for all Jews to have a homeland, at all costs. Whilst it was initially shocking to hear, I respected their honesty. I think if more people were honest this way that a solution would be easier to reach. The faux concern whilst simultaneously blaming them is a part of the problem.

@Reallifelurker "If Israel doesn’t want to be responsible for Gaza then it shouldn’t have ended up in a situation where it’s occupying their territory and holding them prisoners effectively."

This is a complex legal argument.

Some have argued that Israel is required to supply the Gaza Strip because Israel allegedly maintains control over Gaza.
There are two versions of this claim: one version claims that Israel belligerently occupies the Gaza Strip; the other claims that Israel “controls” the Gaza Strip for purposes of human rights treaties or “post-occupation” duties even though it neither occupies nor exercises sovereignty over the Gaza Strip.
When it controls territory through belligerent occupation, a state may have the duty supply certain goods to a civilian population if there is no other way to ensure access to the goods. Similarly, when it controls territory over which it has lawful sovereignty, a state may have the duty to supply certain goods when human rights treaties demand their provision to the civilian population. However, Israel does not control the Gaza Strip for purposes of the law of belligerent occupation or human rights duties. Thus, Israel cannot be held to a duty to supply.

It's not the fault of Israel that Gaza has more children than it can feed without significant Aid from abroad.

Or are you saying that the IDF are going around impregnating Gazan women?

I can say people of Jewish, Greek, Armenian descent feel safe in Turkey if they assimilate. Many in the country are antisemitic from the Top of the government to the ordinary person on the street - they would go into unfair conspiracy theories on Jews. Genocide of the Armenians is ignored and lied about. So day to day they may feel safe but how safe they would feel with outward signs of their religion especially in the current climate who knows. In a country where minority rights is eroded and women rights are slowly eroded it’s not promising.

@feralunderclass "Should I say what about the Haredim in Jerusalem who are living in poverty because they have more children than they can feed? Should I say their government should be doing more to provide contraception? "

Yes, and I would support that.

The never ending violence is a result of the occupation. If Palestine is not allowed self determination the world will never know peace.

The current situation has failed and look what is happening.

Your points are so patronising! Europe was once at war with each other and now they all get along.

Various people: It's wrong that Israel is attacking the over-crowded open-air prison it created. Half the population are children.

Pro-Israeli: That's entirely the Palestinians' fault for having too many children.

Well it's up to you to hold this opinion, but it wasn't the point of discussion. I suspect if I did say that (not that I would have as it wasn't what we were talking about and it's NEVER a child's fault) I would have been accused of antisemitism.
The constant deflection of human rights either means that a) you don't care about the human rights of Palestinians or B) it's too painful to acknowledge that a state you support has resulted in this. And I don't mean you personally, I'm talking about all the deflectors.

Israel does not control the Gaza Strip for purposes of the law of belligerent occupation or human rights duties. Thus, Israel cannot be held to a duty to supply.

Is there such a thing as a non-belligerent occupation?

Israel may have withdrawn from Gaza but the UN still consider it an occupied territory because of the blockade.

@Reallifelurker "Israel may have withdrawn from Gaza but the UN still consider it an occupied territory because of the blockade."

One of the functions of the UN is to maintain International Peace and Security. So why have they failed in their duty to Israel who is a Full Member?

(Answers on a postcard, please)

The constant deflection of human rights either means that a) you don't care about the human rights of Palestinians or B) it's too painful to acknowledge that a state you support has resulted in this. And I don't mean you personally, I'm talking about all the deflectors

Yes I think some of them are genuinely infuriated if Hamas aren’t given the blame for absolutely everything and anything.
Mind you I wouldn’t expect anyone who actually lives in Israel to sit and listen to “oh yes I suppose we are to blame too” if they don’t want to since they are the ones actually being affected.
From an objective perspective however it makes no sense to put all the blame on one side.

One of the functions of the UN is to maintain International Peace and Security. So why have they failed in their duty to Israel who is a Full Member?
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(Answers on a postcard, please)

What do you want them to do?

I found this boy sang very sportive. Hope he is Safe

In 1938 the British offered the Jews just 500 square miles of land. The Arabs still rejected it. It was and remains about not permitting former dhimmis to have sovereignty on land conquered by Islam for centuries.

The Peel Commission also says this about the land:

'The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.'

Could it possibly be that people were trying to find excuses that the west would buy about why you can't give Islamic lands to ex-dhimmis?

And the Peel Commissioner did not offer the Jews the entire coastline, that's just a lie. The map is here for anyone who wants to see:

Peel Commission - Wikipedia

I don't know, that's why I asked the question,

I was hoping that someone who has knowledge of International Law could explain their remit to me and what powers they have.

Otherwise they are a toothless watchdog.

I don't know, that's why I asked the question,

I was hoping that someone who has knowledge of International Law could explain their remit to me and what powers they have.

Otherwise they are a toothless watchdog

Well that’s me told eh?

Anyway back to the topic of Israel cutting off supplies to Palestinian’s being a human rights issue…