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About this message on the front of a bus?

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Iop · 12/10/2023 14:18

This morning in town a bus passed me with the phrase Mash'alla displayed on the front instead of the bus number and destination. AIBU to have found it unsettling?
We're in an area with a large Pakistani Muslim population and there were small pockets of celebration following the initial attacks on Israel (nothing violent or disruptive, just horns/cheering/Palestinian flag waving).
If I were to complain to the bus company (I won't - I don't have time) it would be on the grounds that it's unprofessional for bus drivers to be proclaiming their political or religious beliefs on the front of their busses. But if I'm honest my discomfort was about more than that - I wouldn't have felt as unsettled if the message had been "vote Tory" or "Happy Diwali" even though neither of those reflect my personal beliefs any more than Mash'alla does.
Am I being reasonable or Islamaphobic?

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Blahbie · 12/10/2023 14:21

YNBU they would never approve of a 'Jesus saves' poster on a bus so why should they put Arabic or whatever it was on a bus. England is a Christian country believe it or not.

BananaPyjamaLlama · 12/10/2023 14:22

You had time to post here? Emailing the company to comment about this wont take you any longer (especially not if you include the time you'll take to read any responses)

I wouldnt be happy about it either fwiw.

LucyAnnTrent · 12/10/2023 14:38

Could you email them quickly to ask what mash'alla is referring to?

I mean, we know really...but it might be good for them to realise that there will be challenges to this sort of thing.

Iop · 12/10/2023 14:51

@BananaPyjamaLlama Fair point! I guess "I don't have time" was lazy shorthand for "I feel like I shouldn't make a fuss, and I don't want to appear Islamaphobic, and I don't believe complaining will achieve anything because nobody else wants to appear Islamaphobic either, and people here are worried about repercussions if they speak out about these things because multiple convicted Islamic terrorists come from this town, and people get their cars torched in the middle of the night or their windows smashed in if they're thought to be Islamaphobic."
On reflection, the same sorts of thoughts that allowed the Rochdale groomers to go unchallenged for so long.
I will complain, but anonymously.

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Iop · 12/10/2023 14:54

@LucyAnnTrent I actually didn't know what it meant, and had to look it up. Because if it had meant something like "a prayer for peace" then I would have probably been able to put my misgivings aside. But it means "Allah has willed it" and is apparently something you say in response to something beautiful or fortunate happening (which also aligns with the contexts in which I've heard my Pakistani friends using it).

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fairgame84 · 12/10/2023 14:56

Was it a privately hired bus?
I'm guessing it wasn't a public service bus otherwise nobody would know where it was going with no destination or number on it.

0ElectronBlue0 · 12/10/2023 15:02

That’s outrageous and of course you should complain.

Iop · 12/10/2023 15:04

@fairgame84 It was just a regular bus owned by one of the local bus companies. But they may also make their busses available for private hire, I don't know.
When I saw it it was about 8am, the bus looked empty apart from the driver, and it looked like it was driving back to the bus station - so maybe had finished its route if the routes don't all end at the bus station?

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Catlord · 12/10/2023 15:06

You could ask the bus company what it referred to in this case rather than going in with a complaint.

Perhaps there is a festival or celebration you don't know about or it can be meant as a cheerful message. I don't know if this would be correct usage of the phrase. If they reply saying, essentially yes, it meant Hamas-1 Israel -0 then that would not be appropriate. Regardless of local beliefs on the subject, people have died.

WaveyGodshawk · 12/10/2023 15:08

Allah has willed it??
How could that not be seen as anything but antisemitic in the context of what's going on at the moment!
That is actually really disturbing

SurprisedWithAHorse · 12/10/2023 15:09

I'm afraid I can't see any context for that except the obvious one.

nameoftheday · 12/10/2023 15:13

Whereabouts was this, OP?

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 12/10/2023 15:13

That's dreadful, I would definitely speak to the bus company about it. I'm guessing they weren't actually aware.

begaydocrime42 · 12/10/2023 15:13

Blahbie · 12/10/2023 14:21

YNBU they would never approve of a 'Jesus saves' poster on a bus so why should they put Arabic or whatever it was on a bus. England is a Christian country believe it or not.

It's a multi-faith country :/ We have something called freedom of religion

fairgame84 · 12/10/2023 15:14

If it's returning to depot then mashallah would be appropriate to say thank God for a good shift. It's like saying inshallah if they were setting off for their shift.
It's all about context.

crimsonfleet · 12/10/2023 15:16

Blahbie · 12/10/2023 14:21

YNBU they would never approve of a 'Jesus saves' poster on a bus so why should they put Arabic or whatever it was on a bus. England is a Christian country believe it or not.

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Iop · 12/10/2023 15:18

fairgame84 · 12/10/2023 15:14

If it's returning to depot then mashallah would be appropriate to say thank God for a good shift. It's like saying inshallah if they were setting off for their shift.
It's all about context.

That's useful insight, thank you

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NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 15:19

Iop · 12/10/2023 14:18

This morning in town a bus passed me with the phrase Mash'alla displayed on the front instead of the bus number and destination. AIBU to have found it unsettling?
We're in an area with a large Pakistani Muslim population and there were small pockets of celebration following the initial attacks on Israel (nothing violent or disruptive, just horns/cheering/Palestinian flag waving).
If I were to complain to the bus company (I won't - I don't have time) it would be on the grounds that it's unprofessional for bus drivers to be proclaiming their political or religious beliefs on the front of their busses. But if I'm honest my discomfort was about more than that - I wouldn't have felt as unsettled if the message had been "vote Tory" or "Happy Diwali" even though neither of those reflect my personal beliefs any more than Mash'alla does.
Am I being reasonable or Islamaphobic?

I think you are being unreasonable. I've personally travelled to many Arab countries and learnt some Arabic. MashaAllah means "God has willed it" - people say this to beautiful things. Any time Muslims see something they like, or something they find lovely or beautiful. They say MashaAllah
It's not a bad word, in fact it's the same as saying God Bless It. Hope that helps. Definitely do some research online, especially with what's going on. The media hates the truth.

Free2 · 12/10/2023 15:22

Iop · 12/10/2023 15:18

That's useful insight, thank you

The fact that its meaning is ambiguous- what are they thanking God for? Not written in the country’s language, and served to unsettle passengers despite whatever was intended, means that it’s inappropriate. You should report it.

0ElectronBlue0 · 12/10/2023 15:22

fairgame84 · 12/10/2023 15:14

If it's returning to depot then mashallah would be appropriate to say thank God for a good shift. It's like saying inshallah if they were setting off for their shift.
It's all about context.

Yes because that’s what it’s going to be about given the current climate 🤦‍♀️

Iop · 12/10/2023 15:24

nameoftheday · 12/10/2023 15:13

Whereabouts was this, OP?

I'm in South Bucks, why?

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Blahbie · 12/10/2023 14:21

YNBU they would never approve of a 'Jesus saves' poster on a bus so why should they put Arabic or whatever it was on a bus. England is a Christian country believe it or not.

More than half of Brits are not Christians.

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 15:26

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RingALingADingDong · 12/10/2023 15:28

I think it's inappropriate as it's open for misinterpretation, complain anonymously @Iop

Free2 · 12/10/2023 15:29

DinnaeFashYersel · 12/10/2023 15:26

More than half of Brits are not Christians.

Our head of State is also the leader of the CofE.

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