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About this message on the front of a bus?

317 replies

Iop · 12/10/2023 14:18

This morning in town a bus passed me with the phrase Mash'alla displayed on the front instead of the bus number and destination. AIBU to have found it unsettling?
We're in an area with a large Pakistani Muslim population and there were small pockets of celebration following the initial attacks on Israel (nothing violent or disruptive, just horns/cheering/Palestinian flag waving).
If I were to complain to the bus company (I won't - I don't have time) it would be on the grounds that it's unprofessional for bus drivers to be proclaiming their political or religious beliefs on the front of their busses. But if I'm honest my discomfort was about more than that - I wouldn't have felt as unsettled if the message had been "vote Tory" or "Happy Diwali" even though neither of those reflect my personal beliefs any more than Mash'alla does.
Am I being reasonable or Islamaphobic?

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MoiraRosesBaybay · 12/10/2023 16:28

Blahbie · 12/10/2023 14:21

YNBU they would never approve of a 'Jesus saves' poster on a bus so why should they put Arabic or whatever it was on a bus. England is a Christian country believe it or not.

Literally the opposite. There are often Jesus saves posters on busses but the humanists weren’t allowed to put God Doesn’t Exist on a poster on a bus.

AgaMM · 12/10/2023 16:29

Mashallah is not the phrase Muslims would use to celebrate something. So I highly doubt it’s there as a response to what’s happened in Israel.

By all means, question it with the bus company for reassurance, but everyone claiming it must be anti Semitic are being extreme.

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:29

Chestnut5 · 12/10/2023 16:24

It's written on loads of things in Pakistan, it's kind of like a protection thing to prevent evil eye. It's nothing to do with the Israel situation or anything like that and it's more a cultural thing where people believe writing it on things will protect the *thing from harm than something with a religious basis. It's been a cultural practise for years and years not something to do with any current affairs. If you Google buses in Pakistan you'll probably see them highly decorated and they often have masha'Allah written in Arabic on them.

With all due respect, this isn't Pakistan.
(I appreciate you are just trying to add some explanation/context).

Catlord · 12/10/2023 16:30

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 16:20

@Catlord the username I shared on Instagram specifically is recording everything live that is going on, for awareness. A lot of people just watch the news and look at things from one side rather than looking at both.

Why are you telling me this when I'm responding to a thread about buses that expressed none of my views or understanding of world politics other than that I do not speak much Arabic (try other languages)?

MrTiddlesTheCat · 12/10/2023 16:31

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Hamas are terrorists.

MK19590 · 12/10/2023 16:31

Was it Red rose travel? They are a Muslim owned company with Arabic writing on their buses

Babochan88 · 12/10/2023 16:32

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 15:52

Do I believe that? Sky news said it themselves! Please do your research and find out things for yourself. Here is some proof www.instagram.com/p/CyRmy7Ar7WH/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== and www.instagram.com/p/CyQgHL6Mur9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== please do some research.

There is growing evidence of the horrors the terrorist group hamas has done. Defending them is sickening and a true disservice to peaceful Palestinians.

PPQ123 · 12/10/2023 16:32

I thought it would be South Bucks. We're near High Wycombe and there is a very very high Asian population.

It would be interesting to hear what the bus company say if you do get in touch OP

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:33

TravellingT · 12/10/2023 16:27

If it was Ecclesiastical Latin, would you feel less unsettled? There is absolutely nothing unsettling about a phrase someone uses to relate to their god(s).

Your beliefs unsettle me, I thought people didn't speak like you do anymore.

Anything written in a language which is not an official language in that country/not spoken by a significant part of the population could be misinterpreted - people are entitled to question the meaning/intent, and different languages will arouse suspicion, rightly or wrongly, at different time points in history.

Thighdentitycrisis · 12/10/2023 16:34

Ask bus company whether the new service to Mash’alla is to be a regular thing and for a timetable?

Vikina · 12/10/2023 16:35

Whatever it means, it's not acceptable. If it's a service bus it should have number and destination. If it's out of service it should say Out Of Service. Bus drivers aren't allowed to put whatever message they like on the front of buses!

toadasoda · 12/10/2023 16:36

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:29

With all due respect, this isn't Pakistan.
(I appreciate you are just trying to add some explanation/context).

Maybe go to Pakistan and write 'God save the King' on buses and see how you get on 😀 It's probably innocent but still wholly inappropriate IMO.

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 16:37

@Babochan88 excuse me I was simply saying that they were resistance fighters against Israel, - not defending any bad that they have done. Do your research please.

Vinvertebrate · 12/10/2023 16:38

High Wycombe OP?

gotomomo · 12/10/2023 16:38

I've seen buses with Jesus lives on the side, a while ago, can't remember which organisation paid for it but it was a paid for campaign. I also have lots of posters outside of my work, but it's a church!

nameoftheday · 12/10/2023 16:38

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 15:54

So if there were white murderers and rapists from Luton means I should be wary of all white people too?

Well if they were an organised group adhering to a rape and murder ideology and I happened to be visiting Luton, then yes, I would be extra vigilant

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:39

toadasoda · 12/10/2023 16:36

Maybe go to Pakistan and write 'God save the King' on buses and see how you get on 😀 It's probably innocent but still wholly inappropriate IMO.

What gives you the impression that I have plans to do that, or even think it's a remotely good idea?
(As it stands I wouldn't write 'god save the king' on anything, because there is no god and I'd prefer there to be no king.)

toadasoda · 12/10/2023 16:42

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:39

What gives you the impression that I have plans to do that, or even think it's a remotely good idea?
(As it stands I wouldn't write 'god save the king' on anything, because there is no god and I'd prefer there to be no king.)

I was just making a joke! Not really aimed at you. More like 'if one went to Pakistan...' . I probably shouldn't have replied directly to your post though, it was intended for the thread in general.

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 16:42

@Babochan88 the innocence of all Civilians matter, including the Palestinian which are currently 2 million of them under siege, with no food or electricity.

LuluBlakey1 · 12/10/2023 16:42

I think it should be reported to the police and to the local council. It's absolutely wrong- inflammatory and provocative and the company have made a real misjudgement. Tomorrow will it be okay if it says 'Allahu Akbar' - it means God is Greater ...but was being chanted by Hamas as they drove off sitting on the semi-naked body of a Jewish woman on their truck after kidnapping and injuring/killing her.
It is insensitive, provocative and inflammatory and appalling judgement. At the very least the bus company need to be told that formally.
Which bus and where- I am happy to contact the council/police.

Hobbes8 · 12/10/2023 16:43

I don’t understand why you have made a connection to the terrorist attacks in gaza though? It’s a perfectly innocuous expression. It’s like saying “feeling blessed” on Facebook when you post a picture of a cup of tea or whatever.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 12/10/2023 16:43

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 16:37

@Babochan88 excuse me I was simply saying that they were resistance fighters against Israel, - not defending any bad that they have done. Do your research please.

Hamas are terrorists.

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:44

Hobbes8 · 12/10/2023 16:43

I don’t understand why you have made a connection to the terrorist attacks in gaza though? It’s a perfectly innocuous expression. It’s like saying “feeling blessed” on Facebook when you post a picture of a cup of tea or whatever.

It might well be a 'perfectly innocuous expression' however as it's in a foreign (so not official to the UK) language, a lot of people will have no idea what it means - exactly like OP!

JoanOfAllTrades · 12/10/2023 16:45

@NinaBeee

Muslims have been seen as the enemy since the Crusades.

I would say though that the bus driver/company was wrong - it's spelt Masha’Allah 🙄. Also, I’m not sure what the bus driver was inferring - that the killing of innocent people is God’s Will? Really?

The Quran and Sunnah are guaranteed to be in accordance with how Allah wants Muslims, and mankind in general, to behave! “Hence, if any Muslim kills an innocent person, that Muslim has committed a grave sin, and the action cannot be claimed to have been committed "in the name of Islam."

Quran (5:32) says killing an innocent is like killing humanity.

Hamas hasn’t been fighting for 75 years, they are relatively new on the scene, having started in ~2006. And they were totally in the wrong to do what they did. Islam is a religion of peace and Hamas and other organisations (Taliban, etc.), twist Islam to fit their beliefs.

Hamas, the Taliban and others of their ilk are not representative of any Muslims that I know! And yes, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, but really? How can anyone not be sickened by reports of women being raped and children murdered?

Edit to add: Allah means God. Go to any place of worship, whether Muslim, Christian, or any religion that uses the word God, in an Arab speaking country and they will say the word Allah in their prayers, not God, which is an English word! Also, Jews, Christians and Muslims are all known as “people of the book” and are all monotheistic religions and all stem from the same prophet, Abram, later called Abraham. So people who get offended by the word Allah, it’s simply Arabic for God, and it’s the same God for all the three religions.

Justletpeopleenjoythings · 12/10/2023 16:48

This is clearly a totally fabrication to get people frothing.