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About this message on the front of a bus?

317 replies

Iop · 12/10/2023 14:18

This morning in town a bus passed me with the phrase Mash'alla displayed on the front instead of the bus number and destination. AIBU to have found it unsettling?
We're in an area with a large Pakistani Muslim population and there were small pockets of celebration following the initial attacks on Israel (nothing violent or disruptive, just horns/cheering/Palestinian flag waving).
If I were to complain to the bus company (I won't - I don't have time) it would be on the grounds that it's unprofessional for bus drivers to be proclaiming their political or religious beliefs on the front of their busses. But if I'm honest my discomfort was about more than that - I wouldn't have felt as unsettled if the message had been "vote Tory" or "Happy Diwali" even though neither of those reflect my personal beliefs any more than Mash'alla does.
Am I being reasonable or Islamaphobic?

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Iop · 12/10/2023 16:50

MK19590 · 12/10/2023 16:31

Was it Red rose travel? They are a Muslim owned company with Arabic writing on their buses

Yes, it was Red Rose! OK I didn't know they're Muslim-owned. Maybe, then, they display that phrase by default on buses safely returning to the depot, as a PP suggested upthread. I've never seen it in 20-odd years living here, but I don't go into the town centre much.

For clarity, the message was written in the Roman / English alphabet, not the Arabic script.

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NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 16:50

JoanOfAllTrades · 12/10/2023 16:45

@NinaBeee

Muslims have been seen as the enemy since the Crusades.

I would say though that the bus driver/company was wrong - it's spelt Masha’Allah 🙄. Also, I’m not sure what the bus driver was inferring - that the killing of innocent people is God’s Will? Really?

The Quran and Sunnah are guaranteed to be in accordance with how Allah wants Muslims, and mankind in general, to behave! “Hence, if any Muslim kills an innocent person, that Muslim has committed a grave sin, and the action cannot be claimed to have been committed "in the name of Islam."

Quran (5:32) says killing an innocent is like killing humanity.

Hamas hasn’t been fighting for 75 years, they are relatively new on the scene, having started in ~2006. And they were totally in the wrong to do what they did. Islam is a religion of peace and Hamas and other organisations (Taliban, etc.), twist Islam to fit their beliefs.

Hamas, the Taliban and others of their ilk are not representative of any Muslims that I know! And yes, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, but really? How can anyone not be sickened by reports of women being raped and children murdered?

Edit to add: Allah means God. Go to any place of worship, whether Muslim, Christian, or any religion that uses the word God, in an Arab speaking country and they will say the word Allah in their prayers, not God, which is an English word! Also, Jews, Christians and Muslims are all known as “people of the book” and are all monotheistic religions and all stem from the same prophet, Abram, later called Abraham. So people who get offended by the word Allah, it’s simply Arabic for God, and it’s the same God for all the three religions.

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Exactly. But people fail to understand this

Glitterdavies · 12/10/2023 16:51

You are Islamophobic if you have a problem with it. Local buses display adverts for local areas.

Is has nothing to do with whats going on in Israel.

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:52

Justletpeopleenjoythings · 12/10/2023 16:48

This is clearly a totally fabrication to get people frothing.

Nobody IS frothing though.

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:52

Glitterdavies · 12/10/2023 16:51

You are Islamophobic if you have a problem with it. Local buses display adverts for local areas.

Is has nothing to do with whats going on in Israel.

How is this 'an advert for a local area'?

nameoftheday · 12/10/2023 16:52

justteanbiscuits · 12/10/2023 16:00

I read three entirely separate articles, from good sources, that say that only one journalist, out of a group taken to the site, claims to have seen the babies that were beheaded from a day care centre even thought the journalists were all together, all of the time. They are clear that this isn't to say it did not happen, just that no one else with the original reporting journalist saw it.

I think at this point in time, it would be prudent to not believe everything coming from the Israeli government too.

Even if there were no beheaded children, is it not enough that people were mown down in their hundreds at a festival, shot in their own homes, burned to death in their own homes, raped and then paraded and spat on, and children, old people and others taken hostage?

The Israelis do not need to make stuff up about beheadings (a known practice of ISIS who are the same as Hamas) on top of that.

And if they published such appalling images, they would be accused of using the butchered and causing yet more distress to their families.

FWIW, the Israeli government took the decision not to publish such images and to discourage others from circulating them - holding that if this was done it would mean human beings being objectified and exploited for visibility as part of psychological warfare.

WillyWonkaBlues · 12/10/2023 16:53

We need the Daily Mail to do a piece on this one.

Completely unacceptable.

Purpleyogamat · 12/10/2023 16:55

begaydocrime42 · 12/10/2023 15:13

It's a multi-faith country :/ We have something called freedom of religion

Yes, we do. But if they'd put "Allah doesn't think much of Jewish people" on the front, would that have been ok too? Because that's pretty much how I interpret Mashallah in this context right now.

JoanOfAllTrades · 12/10/2023 16:55

NinaBeee · 12/10/2023 16:50

Exactly. But people fail to understand this

That’s why I spelt it out, as clearly as I could 😊

Justletpeopleenjoythings · 12/10/2023 16:56

Warum · 12/10/2023 16:52

Nobody IS frothing though.

I didn't say they were.

Free2 · 12/10/2023 16:56

Muslims have been seen as the enemy since the Crusades.

Surely you mean since the ‘Arab conquests’? I would have thought that the offensive across the Middle East, North Africa and Europe, forcibly establishing Islam in formerly Christian territories would have come across as a little hostile?

Iop · 12/10/2023 16:57

Justletpeopleenjoythings · 12/10/2023 16:48

This is clearly a totally fabrication to get people frothing.

No. I've tried quite hard to be measured in my responses and deliberately made an effort not to inflame the thread and "get people frothing". I'd have taken a photo, but I was holding DS's hand waiting to cross the road and my phone was in my bag.

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sillyme563 · 12/10/2023 17:00

Mumsnet is a cesspit of hatred. Let the bus say mashallah ffs, you said yourself you wouldn't give a shit if it said happy diwali. Think about that.

Zarah123 · 12/10/2023 17:00

This thread is the worst kind of Islamophobia.

Pakistani Muslims in Pakistan have Mash’Allah permanently written on their vehicle, it’s nothing to do with celebrating killings.

Shame on you, OP.

And no one believe you have have Pakistani friends. No one.

Zarah123 · 12/10/2023 17:01

Iop · 12/10/2023 16:57

No. I've tried quite hard to be measured in my responses and deliberately made an effort not to inflame the thread and "get people frothing". I'd have taken a photo, but I was holding DS's hand waiting to cross the road and my phone was in my bag.

You have not been measured you’ve been racist and Islamophobic with the standard grooming message thrown in.

Shame on you.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 12/10/2023 17:01

Chestnut5 · 12/10/2023 16:24

It's written on loads of things in Pakistan, it's kind of like a protection thing to prevent evil eye. It's nothing to do with the Israel situation or anything like that and it's more a cultural thing where people believe writing it on things will protect the *thing from harm than something with a religious basis. It's been a cultural practise for years and years not something to do with any current affairs. If you Google buses in Pakistan you'll probably see them highly decorated and they often have masha'Allah written in Arabic on them.

Yeah, but South Buckinghamshire isn't Pakistan and it could be mistrued.

sillyme563 · 12/10/2023 17:02

Zarah123 · 12/10/2023 17:00

This thread is the worst kind of Islamophobia.

Pakistani Muslims in Pakistan have Mash’Allah permanently written on their vehicle, it’s nothing to do with celebrating killings.

Shame on you, OP.

And no one believe you have have Pakistani friends. No one.

"I'm not racist I have a colour TV" 😂

MrTiddlesTheCat · 12/10/2023 17:05

It not islamaphobic for people to be alarmed on seeing a new display of an arabic/muslim word which celebrates the will of god playing out in the immediate aftermath of horrific attack on civilians by islamic terrorists.

Free2 · 12/10/2023 17:06

Iop · 12/10/2023 16:57

No. I've tried quite hard to be measured in my responses and deliberately made an effort not to inflame the thread and "get people frothing". I'd have taken a photo, but I was holding DS's hand waiting to cross the road and my phone was in my bag.

I think you are fine. It just goes to show how nervous people are and how White Rose Travel bus should have thought a bit and maybe put a different message up until the British reaction to recent events calms down.

nameoftheday · 12/10/2023 17:06

sillyme563 · 12/10/2023 17:00

Mumsnet is a cesspit of hatred. Let the bus say mashallah ffs, you said yourself you wouldn't give a shit if it said happy diwali. Think about that.

A pp mentioned context.

The context here is timing.

You think about that.

Glitterdavies · 12/10/2023 17:08

So muslims should stop saying their everyday saying because of something that happened that has nothing to do with them?

Would you tell jews to change their ad campaigns in a Jewish area?

Reugny · 12/10/2023 17:10

nameoftheday · 12/10/2023 17:06

A pp mentioned context.

The context here is timing.

You think about that.

There is context.

About 20 years of context.

However instead of the OP talking to people around her, she decided to try to stir up anger on the internet.

Glitterdavies · 12/10/2023 17:11

Purpleyogamat · 12/10/2023 16:55

Yes, we do. But if they'd put "Allah doesn't think much of Jewish people" on the front, would that have been ok too? Because that's pretty much how I interpret Mashallah in this context right now.

Yeah thats islamophobic to think that, muslims don't have to change their day to day business because of what happened in Israel and to think that they are doing it for that is Islamophobic.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 12/10/2023 17:11

begaydocrime42 · 12/10/2023 15:13

It's a multi-faith country :/ We have something called freedom of religion

Christianity is the state religion.

Other religions are free to practice here - but there is a reason why the Anglican Bishops sit in the House of Lords, why the Head of the Church of England (and C of Scotland) is also our Head of State.

We are very much not a multi-faith country.

Warum · 12/10/2023 17:11

Zarah123 · 12/10/2023 17:00

This thread is the worst kind of Islamophobia.

Pakistani Muslims in Pakistan have Mash’Allah permanently written on their vehicle, it’s nothing to do with celebrating killings.

Shame on you, OP.

And no one believe you have have Pakistani friends. No one.

In what way is this thread 'the worst kind of Islamophobia', specifically?
Also, what Pakistani Muslims living in Pakistan do isn't relevant here, because this is not Pakistan!