I understand why they are so set on destroying Hamas

[FebruaryOnMyMind]

Having seen the stories of the women and girls raped at the festival (reportedly over their dead friends bodies) and the people taken off as hostage; I understand why Israel want to destroy Hamas. They have said that Hamas militants are dead men. They have said that they will go after them. The worst killing of Jewish people since the Holocaust and their 9/11 with death toll of over 1300 people.

The story of the women at the Music and Peace festival is here -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html

Yet some people celebrated when the killings of Jewish people (they were from many different countries) at the festival was announced.

I feel sadness for everything going on in the middle east and for all the people who are innocent are are dying. Terrorists need to be stopped.

im basque so I know what ETA is and that’s why I feel so identified with people from Gaza. Thinking that the Spanish government could have wipe us out every time eta committed a terrorist attack if they had behaved like Israel is behaving at the moment. ETA(btw not sure where you’re getting that it was backed by Iran as this is only supported by Spanish far right supporters) or IRA were not destroyed and reduced by killing civilians by the government. The government directly attacked and fought against the terrorists and sat down with them to reach an agreement of cease of fire. At no point the Spanish militars were killing kids for fun in the Basque Country or kicking us out of our houses. There is two ways to approach a terrorist group (btw at some point decades ago Israel put cash on Hamas , what they were thinking about! ) and definitely the way Israel is approaching it is a war crime.

And as a separate consideration - this attack was specifically designed to provoke Israel.
Not just to kill and harm, hamas do it on a regular basis, but to provoke to such degree that Israel has no other choice but to unleash absolute hell on Gaza. Isn't this obvious?
Who do you think is benefitting from this? as a hint - does anyone still remember that the war in Ukraine is still going on? right, not many (completely understandably so). I can't help but thinking there are some russian roots in this war

Israel is a tiny country surrounded by countries who would like to see it destroyed and all its Jewish inhabitants murdered. It knows that if it shows weakness now Hamas will do this again, Hezbollah will join in, and then the whole scenario will draw in every jihadist and fundamentalist state in the region. Also, Israel has learned that every concession it makes is turned against them. They gave Gaza to the Palestinians and it has been a danger to them ever since. Only a few days before this attack they conceded to pressure to open a border crossing for Palestinian migrant workers, and that crossing was used to launch the attack.

“Gaza is plagued with Hamas, and Hamas is a despicable organization. But most residents of the Gaza Strip are not like that. Before we start flattening and destroying and uprooting and killing, we should take this into account. The reckoning must be with Hamas, not with all Gazans. One’s heart must go out to them, regardless of one’s profound solidarity with Israel’s victims.”
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-10-12/ty-article-opinion/.premium/the-reckoning-must-be-with-hamas-not-with-all-gazans/0000018b-2020-d53b-af8b-737c1b7a0000?gift=6c8d0b14c7624fd7b277f475fa4c89ce

Hamas are are a terror organisation intent on death and destruction who wreak violence upon Israelis, but also invite it upon their own people. Interesting perspective on Netanyahu - disliked by many Israelis, supported by other Israelis- from this Israeli journalist.

“That’s because since he took office as prime minister a second time in 2009, that same Netanyahu developed and advanced a destructive, warped political doctrine that held that strengthening Hamas at the expense of the Palestinian Authority would be good for Israel.

The purpose of the doctrine was to perpetuate the rift between Hamas in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. That would preserve the diplomatic paralysis and forever remove the “danger” of negotiations with the Palestinians over the partition of Israel into two states – on the argument that the Palestinian Authority doesn’t represent all the Palestinians.”
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000?gift=7fba8727780349afa20a4a20e1f025ba

Of course I can understand why Israel has responded in this way the attack was absolutely horrific people are traumatised, terrified and angry

That doesn’t mean I agree with Gaza been destroyed and the suffering of children and innocent people I don’t

Apparently the Israel PM was warned about an attack a few days ago which he ignore. Was he being naive or he just needed something like this to happen so he could justify killing as many as he’s being doing for years ?

For the record:

YES, I think Hamas should release all hostages! Non-combatants first, perhaps but: eventually also kidnapped soldiers, too! Everyone is also "just human" above and beyond all else. And if we are going to care about human rights, this is the first and foremost standard we must apply!

But, by the same standard: Israel must also release any and all of its prisoners under "administrative detention" and convicts whose sentences boil down to "we do the same, but we have more guns and fancier sounding courts", and who did not personally kill anyone - because, really, that is just "we are a fully-fledged state, and these others are not!" language for hostage-taking, too!

I do too. Iran bankroll Hamas, and are also the only country to openly support Russia and provide it with drones. Let’s imagine Putin having realised he is cornered and losing uses his connections with Iran to destabilise the Middle East and put severe pressure on the US military support.

Iran despises the US and Israel - it also conveniently scuppered the Saudi peace agreement. If things blow up in the Middle East which looks increasingly likely, will the US still continue to support Ukraine? Or will they look to the endgame, perhaps prematurely thereby offering Putin a way out ( for now) and Iran achieves a long held ambition of serious bloodshed in Israel and the potential destabilising effects on world order.

We are not removed from this. Our gun ships are on the way now.

It appears most of the nations of the world disagree with you and see the action by Hamas (which most of the Western world see as a terrorist organisation) as the reason for Israel's action over the last few days. Iran sides with Hamas as you do.

There are many apologists for terrorists. Israel was set up my a number of nations after the 2nd world war and have had terror launched on them over the years but the scale of the latest Hamas attack is the worst in 50 years.

Indeed people support Putin, Iran, Hamas and yet I wonder how they would want their country to respond should it be attacked.

Indeed it's fighting for its very survival surrounded by countries who are seeing what it will do next.

There is no justification for this brutal territory attack..

regardless of anyones opinion on the Israeli Palestine situation it’s not okay to condone a terrorist massacre

Israeli policy has indirectly tolerated if not supported Hamas for years, because it’s been a way of quashing the prospect of Palestinian statehood. Or is that now just a conspiracy?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

They haven’t had an election for 17 years!!

This.

Hamas don't want that.

The Palestinians were offered a 2 state solution many years ago and they didn't want it.

Can you please stop spamming the thread

Why? It’s posting links to many of the things many of us talking about and why we don’t agree with what the Israel government is doing. If you don’t like it scroll past