I understand why they are so set on destroying Hamas

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Having seen the stories of the women and girls raped at the festival (reportedly over their dead friends bodies) and the people taken off as hostage; I understand why Israel want to destroy Hamas. They have said that Hamas militants are dead men. They have said that they will go after them. The worst killing of Jewish people since the Holocaust and their 9/11 with death toll of over 1300 people.

The story of the women at the Music and Peace festival is here -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html

Yet some people celebrated when the killings of Jewish people (they were from many different countries) at the festival was announced.

I feel sadness for everything going on in the middle east and for all the people who are innocent are are dying. Terrorists need to be stopped.

No one on this thread is saying any of that. No one here is chanting that.

Again no one on this thread is doing any of that.

Difficult to see how they are the elected government of Gaza when there have been no free elections there since 2007. So what do you suggest they need to wake up to ?

You may have a point. We may never know.

This is a key consideration for Israeli leadership now. Do they take a path that steers Israel to these recent accords with the Gulf States and the potential to reduce future political conflict? Or is eliminating Hamas the optimum action to take now for the longer security of Israel?

There are further forks in the river whichever fork is taken now. There is the problem of separating ordinary Gazans from Hamas. There is the problem of the regime in Iran that appeals to neither Israel, Saudi Arabia nor a good proportion of the Iranian population. There are multiple scenarios and it is not for us to say which direction Israel will take. It is for Israel to decide next and no one else.

If the decision is taken to reach right into the corners of Gaza and defeat Hamas significant numbers of people will die. That is the nature of war fought in an urban setting. More people will die because Hamas do not wear uniforms and operate from schools and apartment blocks increasing the risk of death for ordinary Gazans. There will be attempts by the Israeli forces to limit casualties which means operating differently in the theatre, more surgically, which will increase the death rate of Israeli soldiers. The question of war crimes by any side at whatever operational level is something that is either settled later or not at all.

@itto the accepted ratio used to be 1:23 but after last week Hamas readjusted it to 1;5. To refer back to my earlier post, it is a bit like Hamas eradicated Liverpool. Nobody expects Israel to take that lying down.

The solution does not lie in taking the ratio back to 1:23 , it lies in sorting a two state system that works and as you said relies on Israel accepting it's privilege.

And the poster wasn't talking about people on this thread. Why do you keep misreading posts? You did it earlier too and accused the poster of something they absolutely did not say, and having lack of humanity.

Are we all aware that Netanyahu was actually indirectly funding Hamas for years in order to undermine the Abbas administration in the West Bank ?

Okay so let’s go with that. Hamas are based in Iran or Gaza and don’t care what happens to Gaza. So why bother? Because it now gives Israel the green light to launch a ground invasion and Gaza is lost forever? Do you suppose Hamas will return to a hero’s welcome?

OP this action will not destroy Hamas. Hamas leaders are living very comfortably in Qatar and they are financed by Iran.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/11/real-or-fake-verifying-video-evidence-israel-and-palestine

Anyone else wondering when the Daily Mail became a reliable source? It is a tabloid, not a broadsheet ffs. I'd take anything written with a pinch of salt. They can't even proof read and correct spelling mistakes in most articles.

And she's not accusing anyone on this thread of doing that.

I don't get it. Do you think that if you pretend not to be able to read, it'll stop the rest of us from being able to do it?

I’m not sure whether pointing out your lack of literacy would be considered bullying at this point, as you’ve displayed a woeful lack of the ability to read repeatedly.

The people who I called scum ARE doing that.

Why do you have such a problem with that I wonder?

Thanks @Ilefttownonsaturday

The major concern is not just for the welfare of those in Gaza and Israel but a wider war breaking out in the Middle East.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Totally behind eradicating hamas, feel sorry for the gazans they are hiding behind though.

Why did Al Quaida bother with 9/11?

What? That was your take? Though judging from your other posts I'm not really surprised.

Thank you!

And, no, I do not have family in Israel (but friends, good friends, even!). I do have family in Palestine!

In reality it is not as straightforward as "people good, government evil" - but, for all that is good and holy! - if my relative, who spent literal years in an Israeli prison for the mere crime of being an angry teen at the exact wrong time - can forgive (not forget!) ... if my Israeli friend who lost a child during the 2nd intifada can do the same ... if they can be humanitarians and turn into advocates (I was going to say "warriors", but that is exactly NOT the idea) for our joint humanity, why can people in bloody Milton Keynes do the same, instead of accusing their non-favoured side of being sub-humans and animals?

It really is NOT that hard! Hamas sucks! Israeli policies towards Palestinians suck! Nobody benefits from them doing their "thing" except for the select few who gain personal clout and power. For everyone else, this just sucks (even if people might blame "the other side" personally)! Not everyone pays the same personal price - but almost everyone pays one! And human suffering is not easily measurable on a 1-10 scale!

Why is this so hard?

How do you give a ten minute warning to a city that has no electricity? So nobody watching TV, listening to radio or with a charged phone.

They drop a small non-lethal explosive on the roof of the targeted building, and then wait 30 (not 10) minutes which allows for the building to be evacuated before it is bombed.
Israel do not want to kill anyone. Hamas have taken a decision to attack knowing full well it will cost the innocent citizens of Gaza their lives. Israel do not attack. But they will defend their state and citizens. There’s a reason why the Israeli army is called the Israel DEFENCE Force.

They are not the same. The endgame doesn’t benefit Hamas.

Accepting it's what? Sorry?

To answer your post OP, I understand why they're doing it - to show the world that Israel and its allies in the UK and US are not soft targets. Do they have to do it, or have to do it this way? Can't answer that.

Given that members of Hamas are nicely ensconced in Qatar, and presumably Israel are aware of this, how is flattening Gaza going to stop them ?