I understand why they are so set on destroying Hamas

[FebruaryOnMyMind]

Having seen the stories of the women and girls raped at the festival (reportedly over their dead friends bodies) and the people taken off as hostage; I understand why Israel want to destroy Hamas. They have said that Hamas militants are dead men. They have said that they will go after them. The worst killing of Jewish people since the Holocaust and their 9/11 with death toll of over 1300 people.

The story of the women at the Music and Peace festival is here -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html

Yet some people celebrated when the killings of Jewish people (they were from many different countries) at the festival was announced.

I feel sadness for everything going on in the middle east and for all the people who are innocent are are dying. Terrorists need to be stopped.

I have a sinking feeling many people on here are thinking that what Hamas did is totally justified. This is so sickening and depressing. I wonder how they would feel if its their families who were the victims? Because it was literally this random. Hamas militants were killing everyhting in their sight, even shooting dogs and cows...They were not killing soldiers, they were not storming prisons to free Palestinians. They were raping festival goers and shooting infants in their beds. A lot of people killed in one of the kibbutz were leftie pro-Palestine supporters, did it save them?.. You have no idea how barbaric, medieval and cruel this ideology is.

Which history would that be? The one where Israel invaded an occupied the helpless people next door who had no allies and no means of depending themselves?

wow! Considering this is a parenting forum you’re literally advocating a country should eradicate a population down to it’s last child? Where’s your humanity?

Can't you READ???

Hamas means to execute the hostages they took one by one. Israel will blockade Gaza until Hamas hands the hostages back.
Responding to groups like Hamas with reason is useless. The blockade is likely to end the war quickly which must be a consideration. Feeding and fuelling Gaza can only prolong it.

I am so glad that I don't have to make that decision.

You need to read that again. It isn't what the poster said at all.

This!

I honestly don't know where people are getting this from. Yes, there are some posts from pro-Palestine posters who don't seem to give a shit what happens to innocent people in Israel. But I have seen at least as many posts from pro-Israel posters who don't seem to give a shit what happens to innocent people in Gaza. However, the vast majority of people are capable of caring about human suffering on either side. Empathy for one community doesn't necessarily preclude empathy for another as well.

Personally, I have been really distressed by the images of the terrorist attack in Israel and by the heartbreaking testimonies of some of the survivors. As I said on another thread earlier, I had to pull over in the car yesterday because an interview with a bereaved Israeli couple whose son had been murdered upset me so much. I think any decent human being would have been appalled by the attacks at the weekend.

My horror at the atrocities in Israel doesn't make me immune to the suffering of innocent Palestinians though. And it doesn't convince me that Israel are right to cut off basic necessities from innocent people, including children, who have no power to stop the violence or even flee to safer territory.

It is possible to have compassion for the innocent victims on both sides, you don't have to pick a team. They are all just people as far as I'm concerned.

I ask this with no disrespect intended. What would you do to combat these atrocities?

It may have been a British protectorate ie colonised but absolutely there was a thriving Palestinian culture before Israel

First of all don’t treat them like animals to the innocent people. Last time a group was called animals … millions of Jews were killed

Let's deal with the actual history of the partition of Palestine, shall we?

The following excerpts have been taken from the United Nations website:

www.un.org/unispal/history/

"Palestine was among former Ottoman territories placed under UK administration by the League of Nations in 1922. "

You can see in this link which countries were members of the League Of Nations in 1922 when Palestine was placed under UK administration.

www.britannica.com/topic/League-of-Nations/Members-of-the-League-of-Nations

"UK considered various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, the UK turned the Palestine problem over to the UN."

Under British administration, Palestine was NOT partitioned, but you will often hear people talking as though it was!
So, we move on to the actual partition itself:

"After looking at alternatives, the UN proposed terminating the Mandate and partitioning Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947)."

As we can see, the partition of Palestine was not caused by the British Government alone.

The collective members of the United Nations made that decision.

"One of the two envisaged States proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war involving neighbouring Arab States expanded to 77 percent of the territory of mandate Palestine, including the larger part of Jerusalem. "

The Office Of The Historian in the United States says the following:

"The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948."

history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war

Whether you believe it was Israel or the five Arab nations who started the conflict, it is clear that the United Kingdom is not to blame for the partition as it didn't enact that plan.

Partition was a United Nations collective plan.

Personally, I would argue it was the FIVE Arab States who kickstarted the Arab-Israeli aka Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I’m not sure if you ever visited Gaza or Israel ? Or know many people from Gaza ? But what shocked me was the hate they feel for Israel , it’s so ingrained , it’s so constant ( this was years ago ) . I was actually surprised at this as my experience with Palestinian friends in the U.K. was the opposite . Some , including one I’m still in contact with , admits Hamas ideology won’t go away even if they caught the main culprits . Palestinians in Gaza will follow Hamas , they will willingly put themselves in danger .
I’m not sure if this is allowed here , but the link shows what I’m trying to explain .
Another issue people need to be made aware is Palestine will never be Palestine with Hamas in power , the last 20 years around 22 billions in aid where given to Palestine , the infrastructure is still basic , the money was never accounted and clearly has gone on terrorism . They still do not have water or electricity or schools for everyone .
I don’t think Palestine issue is I’ll be solved without outside intervention , they need a outside source to be in power and educate the next few generations , to try and clean the hate that is so ingrained , it they will never have a chance .

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1712409699537072397?s=46&t=Pyt2miFSfNp9un2y5Wglbw

Hamas could sit down and have a cup of tea with Owen Jones?

How the story changes in a year …

This.

All of this.

Innocent people - including children - are dying on both sides. This sort of behaviour doesn't end conflict, it intensifies it and entrenches hatreds.

The suffering on both sides is beyond comprehension.

Your antisemitism is showing dear.

In case it escaped your notice, certain individuals were celebrating the slaughter of Jews in the UK and elsewhere. Publicly.

This scum is a minority, but it is there. And it is prone to being radicalised. Hence the increased threat.

But people who maybe didn’t really follow the conflict, or were vaguely sympathetic for both sides, have really been shown that Hamas wants Israel dead. No negotiation. So the necessity for it to defend itself has become far clearer.

I’m afraid they’d hurl him off a rooftop before he could even say ‘Hello’.

Absolutely horrific what Hamas have done but this knee jerk obliteration of the poorest and most vulnerable in Gaza must be condemned.
Cool heads are needed but who?
See you in the Hague Benjamin

I'm not convinced that the two state system was working very well. Seems to be a bit of a David and Goliath situation.

Adult conversation, why call people scum?

This

Hamas are the elected government of Gaza. Their leaders are, of course, safely ensconced in Qatar and don’t give a damn about how their actions will affect people on the ground. It’s time the people of Gaza woke up.