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To think Starmer seriously needs a better haircut

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RogueFemale · 12/10/2023 01:49

The current hair is just awful, a weird 50s throwback style. Why isn't the Labour party hiring people to style him to look (and sound) professional for leadership? It's not enough these days just to be yourself and jog along. It's serious.

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KnittedCardi · 12/10/2023 12:50

Fightyouforthatpie · 12/10/2023 12:45

I find this view astounding. Just to take some random examples, you imagine Trump or Mugabe had the mysterious elite qualities you deem required, but she doesn't? Weird. Also why sneer about "Union Channels"?

No, but you need a decent standard of education. Pretty much every other leader in the world has a university education, often several, and from several countries. She just doesn't have that level, and it is important, to me.

I am not sneering about unions. They have an important place in supporting working people. Do I think they should influence politics, no.

StarlightLime · 12/10/2023 12:52

FerretFarago · 12/10/2023 01:54

Awful hair didn’t hold Boris back professionally or romantically!

Well, exactly 😂

KnittedCardi · 12/10/2023 13:15

CalistoNoSolo · 12/10/2023 12:50

You just sound really ignorant tbh. We've had a series of Eton educated PM's who have all been fucking terrible. She may have her eye on the main prize but her 'lack of education' is irrelevant and she is all over her double brief of shadow deputy pm and shadow levelling- up secretary. She clearly works immensely hard and is very ambitious and should be held up as a shining example of what a woman from a poor and difficult background can achieve. And so fucking what if she has a union background? As far as I'm aware unions are generally a good thing for British workers. I'd rather someone with a union background than yet another over-privileged, vastly wealthy, completely out of touch Tory who's willing to sell the UK to the highest bidder.

This thread has been remarkably eye-opening for me. So much ignorance, prejudice, stupidity and misogyny coming out as soon as someone says 'Labour'.

I would have supported Jess Philips as a leader or Deputy. So no. Not ignorant, or stupid, or misogynist, or any other "ist".

piscofrisco · 12/10/2023 13:25

If we are being shallow I don't mind his hair, but his voice and diction are not winning-to me anyway. He sounds as if he permanently has a very heavy cold.
I'm a Labour voter as a rule and though I don't agree with his stance on women and I strongly wish he'd get off the middle ground fence on, well, everything else-I'll still vote for Labour because, well, the Tories.... odd diction of leader not withstanding....

StillWantingADog · 12/10/2023 13:28

KnittedCardi · 12/10/2023 12:50

No, but you need a decent standard of education. Pretty much every other leader in the world has a university education, often several, and from several countries. She just doesn't have that level, and it is important, to me.

I am not sneering about unions. They have an important place in supporting working people. Do I think they should influence politics, no.

I do very senior recruitment for a living. Seriously talented Multinational exec level stuff. Do the vast majority of people I interview have a university degree? Sure.

Do all of them? No. There’s a lot out there who have done phenomenally well having started our at the bottom just as AR has done. It makes her all the more impressive tbh. Despite being a pregnant teenager with almost no education she is a deputy prime minister in waiting. That speaks volumes about her tenacity, ambition and work ethic. I wouldn’t make her S of S for education but I think she is an excellent politician who speaks the language of many Labour voters. I don’t see her electable as PM (just because of lots of people being against her as you are) but Labour are absolutely right to give her a high profile.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 12/10/2023 13:33

I’m loving the earnest Labour fans’ cries of “I never look at a politician, I judge on merit”. Yeah, right.

Major got ridiculed by the left for his appearance and manner; Thatcher was hated by the Labour middle class for being the upstart daughter of a grocer with an affected voice; Cameron was talked of as a fat-faced old Etonian ; ditto Johnson; even May got the left’s spite for her looks.

I expect Starmer to go the way of Major. Decent man, but will be buried and vilified because of his - lack of - personality.

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 13:36

We've had plenty of plummy voiced public schoolboys over the last 13 years. Having some people with working class backgrounds in government will be a refreshing change.

I think the country might benefit from new and additional perspectives other than the old Etonian group-think too.

When the Tories say something monumentally detached from the lives of us ordinary people we have a catchphrase in our house: "Clearly there was nobody working class in the room when that decision was made!" Grin

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 13:38

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 12/10/2023 13:33

I’m loving the earnest Labour fans’ cries of “I never look at a politician, I judge on merit”. Yeah, right.

Major got ridiculed by the left for his appearance and manner; Thatcher was hated by the Labour middle class for being the upstart daughter of a grocer with an affected voice; Cameron was talked of as a fat-faced old Etonian ; ditto Johnson; even May got the left’s spite for her looks.

I expect Starmer to go the way of Major. Decent man, but will be buried and vilified because of his - lack of - personality.

I have tried to lower the tone on this thread, but to no avail. Grin

So I can only add that I enjoy both John Major's and Keir Starmer's personality.

pointythings · 12/10/2023 13:39

@StillWantingADog the snobbery is astounding, isn't it?

@WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps I reckon Thatcher was mostly hated for her policies. As were Cameron (cuts to provision for disabled children whilst having claimed the max himself), Johnson (COVID parties, lies, Brexit), May (hostile environment, citizens of nowhere, Brexit). Major is a fair example, though personally I had nothing against him; for me the problem was with the people around him.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/10/2023 13:39

@KnittedCardi yes personally I find Jess a better fit and sharp as a button-so it's not accents. Yvette has an accent- I've no issue with her either.Thing is with Angela, I do admire her, I don't dislike her at all , but I've never actually heard her say much of depth if I'm honest and I don't think she's a good debater off the hoof - too much railing against what she doesn't agree with and not enough of significance policy wise- they rarely use her on TV either which to me says something- they are far more likely to use Emily Thornberry or Yvette cooper or David Lammy etc . - and I'm not a Tory either- I wouldn't ever pick her as deputy. I think it was a bit of nod to the left of the party .

Clarich007 · 12/10/2023 13:45

I've heard it all now !! The country is falling apart and you think he should have a different haircut 🙄

Makingplansfor2029 · 12/10/2023 13:49

What part of Starmer’s appearance is a problem. He’s neat, tidy and well dressed. He always looks smart and he also looks like he’s in great shape for his age, he’s 62 and looks a hell of a lot better than the majority of 60 somethings. I also quite fancy him (before he opens his mouth)

Locutus2000 · 12/10/2023 13:53

His hair is progressing a bit like Anson Mount's in Star Trek. I like it.

To think Starmer seriously needs a better haircut
WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 12/10/2023 13:55

I reckon Thatcher was mostly hated for her policies. As were Cameron (cuts to provision for disabled children whilst having claimed the max himself), Johnson (COVID parties, lies, Brexit), May (hostile environment, citizens of nowhere, Brexit).

Maybe. But that’s not the point. Labour supporters are just as judgmental as anyone else about the looks and personal presentation of politicians. Objecting to, say, Thatcher’s policies but deriding her background or face, hair and voice is still to deride her.

A good example of the right’s pettiness was John Prescott. A terrible, useless, incompetent man in senior roles in several Labour governments but kept there as a sop to the Labour left (until caught with his pants down). But derided by the right for talking and acting like a rough northerner. The first criticism is fair, the second is snobby.

The point being that Labour and Tories - and everyone else - does judge on looks, accent and all the other superficial stuff. There’s nothing less convincing than a Labour supporter saying they judge only on merit (or a Tory saying the same).

ferrousfumarate · 12/10/2023 13:58

I think his hair is fine. He could pass for a Morrissey tribute act though!

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 13:58

Locutus2000 · 12/10/2023 13:53

His hair is progressing a bit like Anson Mount's in Star Trek. I like it.

I do not know who that is, but I like his hair Grin

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 13:59

Makingplansfor2029 · 12/10/2023 13:49

What part of Starmer’s appearance is a problem. He’s neat, tidy and well dressed. He always looks smart and he also looks like he’s in great shape for his age, he’s 62 and looks a hell of a lot better than the majority of 60 somethings. I also quite fancy him (before he opens his mouth)

Is he 62?!

OMG I fancy an almost pensioner Grin

StarlightLime · 12/10/2023 14:01

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 13:59

Is he 62?!

OMG I fancy an almost pensioner Grin

He's not looking half bad for 62.

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 14:03

Clarich007 · 12/10/2023 13:45

I've heard it all now !! The country is falling apart and you think he should have a different haircut 🙄

I agree.

Obviously, fixing our economy and getting our kids out from under the crumbling concrete at school and replacing those hospitals that are equally unsafe might be a bit higher up the list of priorities.

But I'm not hating a little bit of frivolity either.

It's been a rough few days news-wise hasn't it? A daft thread is ok by me.

Rubyupbeat · 12/10/2023 14:04

He looks and sounds professional to me anyway.

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 14:04

ferrousfumarate · 12/10/2023 13:58

I think his hair is fine. He could pass for a Morrissey tribute act though!

If the whole "Prime Minister" gig doesn't work out...! Grin

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 14:05

Rubyupbeat · 12/10/2023 14:04

He looks and sounds professional to me anyway.

Yeah.

"Safe pair of hands" probably runs through him like a stick of rock.

verdantverdure · 12/10/2023 14:07

I know the shirtsleeves rolled up is a bit of politician cliche @StarlightLime but it really suits Keir Starmer.

I can see how Mark Darcy in Bridget Jones might be based on him. He's quietly sex on legs if that's your type. (And it is mine.)

Peterpiperspickledpepper · 12/10/2023 14:11

Quite dishy

To think Starmer seriously needs a better haircut
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