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To think he had no right to tell me not to buy milk?

154 replies

notmilkingit · 11/10/2023 21:33

Walked home from dropping dc to school with dh today. I nipped in to a corner shop with the intention of buying some milk as it was a cold rainy day where I am and I was planning to make dc and friends they had coming for a play date hot chocolates after school (5 children in total if that is relevant).

I took it to the counter to pay and dh started barking at me in front of the shop assistant that we had a litre and a half at home already and I was being wasteful. He told me to put it back, I didn’t. He then reached for it and I told him I was buying it because it was my choice to buy it.

Bearing in mind the 5 cups of hot chocolate, teas and coffees and 2 bowls of cereal the next morning for dc1 and dh, there would be very little left from a litre and a half and I have no plans to go to the shops tomorrow!

OP posts:
Daffodilsandtuplips · 12/10/2023 09:41

Jeses! What is it with some of the replies, has everyone been sucking on sour lemons?.
OP, your reply to him was fine, you knew you would need more milk than is usual because you knew you’d need it. Not to piss him off.
My DH looked at me quizzically once when I put a pint of full fat milk and a carton of cream next to the six Pinter of semi skimmed he’d put into the trolly. “Do we need that”.
Yes it’s for a quiche I’m making tomorrow. “Oh, ok then”

LlynTegid · 12/10/2023 09:54

@Daffodilsandtuplips your conversation was reasonable, the OPs DH not, and controlling is an appropriate description for it.

BeavisMcTavish · 12/10/2023 10:05

Arrivederla · 12/10/2023 09:19

Yes it is you - the op says very clearly in 2 posts (at 21.51 and 23.28) that she told her husband outside the shop that she needed milk, and why.

Well I was clear I was referring to the original post - no time in my life to read drips.

Graciebobcat · 12/10/2023 10:06

You have much more knowledge than him over how much milk would be used. If DH went on at me like that he'd get the ear bashing of his life.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 12/10/2023 10:10

Nanny0gg · 11/10/2023 23:17

if I wanted to buy some food and my DH objected, I would not be standing there giving him chapter and verse about why I needed/wanted it and how it would be used.

I'd just bloody buy it!

I can’t think of a sandwich that would require 10 ingredients. a simple ham salad sarnie for example. A pack of buns, pack of ham, tomatoes, lettuce will only take four. I’m presuming butter, mayonnaise or other condiment is already in the house. Ok we’ll add coleslaw, that doesn’t keep like mayo does so let’s add that to the list. Oops quoted the wrong poster, sorry.

Feellikeafailurenow · 12/10/2023 10:14

Gnomegnomegnome · 11/10/2023 21:37

Mumsnet is a funny place tonight.

Buy a cow and be done with it.

😆

Daffodilsandtuplips · 12/10/2023 10:15

LlynTegid · 12/10/2023 09:54

@Daffodilsandtuplips your conversation was reasonable, the OPs DH not, and controlling is an appropriate description for it.

Thank you, yes that’s what I was trying to say.

Mamabear487 · 12/10/2023 10:31

How pathetic of him

SchoolQuestionnaire · 12/10/2023 10:38

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 12/10/2023 03:52

Disagree. This shopper sounds like they have shopping organised and the wife sounds impulsive and wasteful.

She’s an adult and an individual and as such is allowed to be impulsive and wasteful (if you think fancying a particular sandwich is those things) and most importantly, different to her partner. Taking note every time your wife has a sandwich and doesn’t finish the leftovers is bizarre.

Barney60 · 12/10/2023 10:46

vodkaredbullgirl · Yesterday 22:33

Selfishlazyme · Yesterday 22:32

Can you really freeze milk ?
Yes I do it all the time.

Yes i do too.

funinthesun19 · 12/10/2023 10:52

That is really controlling behaviour. He told you couldn’t buy some milk and physically tried to take it from you. WTF.

And even when/if you did explain the reasoning and logic behind buying some more milk (not that you should have to at the checkout in the shop!) no doubt he was too stubborn to get it.

And these things aren’t just isolated incidents. There’s always something else. Bet he’s got a few more red flags waving too.

Mumof3children · 12/10/2023 11:14

Gnomegnomegnome · 11/10/2023 21:37

Mumsnet is a funny place tonight.

Buy a cow and be done with it.

😂

Poshpaddington · 12/10/2023 11:16

maybe your DH was just having a bad day? Maybe he was just a little stressed out about something and this just made him snap?
he shouldn’t have snapped at you, especially in front of someone else but haven’t you genuinely snapped at your DH or DC or someone else without meaning to? Because of what they said or did just sent you over the edge?
I think you also could have handled it much better yourself by explaining to him in front of the shop assistant why you needed so much milk, on top of what you have at home.
that probably would have de-escalated the situation rather than “it’s my choice” which clearly made it worse.
if you paid from a joint account he had just as much right as you to decide whether milk was needed or not, especially if money is tight at the moment.
you said he’s not usually controlling so I’d just brush it off, forget about it and put it down to him being grouchy about something else.

JFDIYOLO · 12/10/2023 11:17

Very carefully use all the milk til he usually wants a coffee and let there be none left

kittiecat16 · 12/10/2023 11:17

YANBU. I think had he just said “oh do we need that milk I thought we had enough at home?” Giving you the chance to explain why you needed more that wouldn’t have been so bad. But actually ordering you to put it back is where I would draw the line. My DH can behave like this sometimes thinking he can tell me not to buy something at the shop and it really really bothers me when he just sees it as trying to manage our budget. Which I get but it comes down to delivery sometimes

Yalta · 12/10/2023 11:22

Couldn’t you have put it back on the shelf then when you had made all the hot chocolates that evening told dh to go out to the shops to buy milk for the morning

Only way of teaching someone that their actions have consequences is to make them responsible for putting right their actions.

Pixiedust1234 · 12/10/2023 11:53

I think in this instance, it is as much about the OP (and many posters in here) feeling entitled

Yes. Many women do feel entitled enough that they can buy milk for their children. If they can't then they are being controlled. Good grief...

Arrivederla · 12/10/2023 11:54

BeavisMcTavish · 12/10/2023 10:05

Well I was clear I was referring to the original post - no time in my life to read drips.

Plenty of time to come on and make an uninformed comment or two though?

Begsthequestion · 12/10/2023 12:08

C1N1C · 11/10/2023 23:05

I can see both sides here. I do the shopping and my wife is 'less experienced' with the planning that is required for the task. She'll have a craving for say a sandwich and buy 10 ingredients costing £20, and will never return to those ingredients after she's made her sandwich as "she's not a snacker". Those ingredients will all go off in the fridge over the next few days. I'll buy what I need, know exactly what is in the fridge, and use all of it before it's use by date.

So if OP's hubby genuinely thought the amount of milk you already had was more than enough for what he believed it would be used for on the coming days, he had a right to speak up.

All he did was tell you to put it back (because he thought it was wasteful). Your correct response should have been "we typically have two coffees, three bowls of cereal, and five bowls of porridge, and that easily comes to the amount we have AND what I am adding here". Your response of "it's my choice" is actually more argumentative.

Both you and OP's husband seem infantilising and controlling.

In fact, your example bears no relation to OP's situation so you seem to be trying extra hard to justify both bad examples of controlling behaviour.

"All he did is tell you to put it back"?? All, as if that's nothing? It's a clear indicator of disrespect.

"He had a right to speak up"?? He had an obligation either trust his own wife, or at least just stfu when his wife reaffirmed she was going to buy the milk.

"Your correct response should have been..." Ugh. Your poor wife. Honestly.

SunRainStorm · 12/10/2023 12:55

@C1N1C

Jesus, you really think this way?

No mate, unless they are on the bones of their arse poor- it isn't 'healthy' to stand in front of the till while a shop keeper waits, tabulating then detailing every milk-requiring-event in their house, gently and sweetly walking the man through her reasoning and working out to justify her thinking, so he can reach his own verdict and give his blessing to the purchase of ...a fucking quart of MILK.

That is infantilising and humiliating. It is impractical. It is inefficient. It is boring and yet awkward as fuck for the poor shop keeper.

Can you please ask your wife to start a gofundme and then post the link here? I think a few of us would like to shout the woman a sandwich - any sandwich she wants! Imagine!

lynnie75 · 12/10/2023 17:00

If I were you, I would have gone and picked up ANOTHER bottle of milk and placed it next to the first, while staring him square in the face. How controlling is THAT? If he’s like this over MILK, what else does he do?

aloris · 12/10/2023 17:35

"I think in this instance, it is as much about the OP (and many posters in here) feeling entitled, as it is the husband being 'controlling'. If this were a car... would your responses be the same?
-puts car in shopping basket-
"Put it back, we don't need another car"

"Ltb, your dp is so controlling!"

I actually pity some of the partners in here... Any partner is allowed to say no, man or woman, without fear of being called controlling. A healthy relationship is about discussion."

Ok, so first of all, a bottle of milk is not comparable with a car. Yes, if OP just said, "I'm buying a car" then it would be appropriate for him to freak out. But I think it's interesting that YOU think it's appropriate to put a car and a bottle of milk in the same category, because it shows that your thinking on this issue is distorted if you can't distinguish between these types of purchases. One is a large purchase that people only make every few years and that usually requires a significant portion of the family budget, such that buying a car may prevent other, more essential budget items (food, heating) being bought. The other is a small purchase that people make multiple times per week. One is nonessential for life. The other is food, a basic necessity of life. One requires legal obligations such as getting MOT, insurance, etc. The other confers no legal burden. For those reasons, it is appropriate to expect a discussion of a car purchase before it happens, but inappropriate to expect one before a purchase of milk happens.

Now, if the couple is broke to the penny such that buying another bottle of milk is going to prevent you from paying the heating bill, then, ok, you are in a special circumstance where every tiny purchase must be planned and discussed. But, that is very unlikely because milk usually lasts a while in the refrigerator. If you don't drink it tomorrow, you'll drink it the next day. Consequence: you had planned to buy more milk on Friday, but since you bought extra milk on Tuesday, you skip buying milk on Friday and instead use up the extra milk that you bought on Tuesday.

I also am concerned about your claim that "any partner is allowed to say no." That is not the case in all situations. In some situations, yes. Any partner is allowed to say "no" to unwanted physical intimacy, for example. Any partner is allowed to say "no" to being taken somewhere against their will. But why would any partner be allowed to say "no" to the other person buying food, which is a necessity for life? So I would say that, no, any partner is NOT allowed to say "no" to the other person buying food. An adult telling another adult, whether or not they are married to them, not to buy food, especially normal food that is part of the usual family grocery list, is indeed controlling. It's the very definition of controlling.

I appreciate that you think the husband was partially wrong here for the way he phrased his disagreement. But the OP didn't actually say "Tough sh!t" which would indeed be an escalation. What she said was it was her choice, which was true, and highlighted the controlling and inappropriate nature of his command, hence defending herself from his unacceptable behavior. She is allowed to stand up for herself when his behavior is controlling and inappropriate! And, if it's a one-time thing, then no harm done. But if this is a regular thing for him, then absolutely there are red flags here. Women who are not allowed to shop for normal groceries without getting specific permission from their husbands for each item, absent abject poverty wherein survival requires detailed management of every penny of family budget, are being abused. That is my opinion.

Perfect28 · 12/10/2023 20:01

@Yalta I missed the bit where the op is her partner's mother. Why should she need to 'teach' him things?

bonzaitree · 12/10/2023 20:37

Sometimes couples will argue about milk but it’s not really about the milk

ImADevYo · 12/10/2023 21:24

@aloris @C1N1C the issue here isn't saying no it's being rude and barking orders!
DH has a habit of forgetting what's in the fridge so I do remind him but I'd never yell at him for being wasteful!
'Darling don't we have 3 at home already' is ok 'you're so wasteful' is not!