Collective Punishment - No water, no food, no medicines

[Lieblingsessen]

I do not condone whatsoever what the Hamas attacks on civilians in Israel or their ideology

But surely, Israel laying siege to Gaza, preventing innocent civilians from accessing water, food, medicines, electricity for hospital equipment, is not justifiable. To collectively punish civilians who have no control over what Hamas or their government does. This is medieval.

Where is the outcry on the mainstream media about this? Surely it is not being anti-semitic to call out Israel, that retaliation is not unexpected, but collective punishment is horrendous.

There’s no “but”.

Hamas started a bloody war on an important Jewish festival day.

They are responsible - what did they think would happen?!!

All civilians are innocent - on both sides.

Starving kids isn’t the answer but neither is bombing them and murdering them.

I think this too

They would retaliate like that

It hasn't stopped Israel before. The Palestinians have been treated worse than animals. Homes razed to the ground, medical care denied, farms destroyed, children prevented from school... All supposedly contravening international law, but no one bats an eyelid.

Am I the only one wondering, apart from all this, if Hamas have taken lots of Israelis prisoner surely bombing the Gaza strip + starving them are only going to get the prisoners killed too?

@feralunderclass yes and you could argue that it’s that treatment that pushed Hamas to do what they have done. It’s an utterly desperate and awful situation. But they have clearly brought Armageddon onto the people of Gaza. I saw a man holding his dead baby on some footage- pain like that is going to radicalise people even more.

It's normal people who are and will be affected by this.

Israel's retaliations have struck a mosque, refugee camp and residential homes. Lots of children.

This looks like a suicide mission from Hamas. They are not acting in the interest of the ordinary Palestinians and Israel certainly doesn't give a shit about them. The entire thing is horrendous.

According to some of what I've read, Iran is not happy with the Saudi/Israel talks that have been ongoing, so may have encouraged this in a hurry. Iran does love to meddle.

I'm in the Middle East so our media is more pro Palestinian, but the reporting I've read has been fairly measured to be honest (in my opinion).

The whole thing is awful.

I’m seeing a few mutterings on the internet that this is down to Iran and that Iran got their intelligence from Russia. Is this likely? Aren’t Russia a bit too pre occupied and isolated to be giving Iran intelligence? The even more outlandish theories is that Trump gave the intelligence to Russia from all those boxes of documents at Mar Lago.

You can’t make people to live in an annexation for 16 years with no hope and not expect that it’s going to radicalise people.

Totally agree

I do find the words ‘animals’ and ‘extermination’ really offensive- it’s the language of Nazi germany.

That’s because Hamas terrorists. They’re not people trying to do their best to free Palestine. They’re equally responsible for the murders and destruction happening in Gaza.

But aren't they in annexation because they elected terrorists for government?

Israel themselves have said this is a complete siege.

Can Israel prevent Egypt from opening its border to people wanting to leave Gaza ?

The rank and file even of Hamas aren't doing it due to radicalisation.
Hamas is one of the richest terror groups in the world, yet 50% of the people in the Gaza strip have no access to schools, food and medicine. It's all very well saying Israel does this and that but somehow Hamas manage to smuggle in weapons, get training from big names like the Wagner group etc.

The poor sods who join probably have little other employment opportunities and if bombing other people gets them fed so be it.

Why is this money not spent on actually improving people's living conditions for a start?

OP, you ‘don’t condone’ Hamas’ actions, but you don’t condemn it either. That is pretty soft language when referring to the murder, kidnapping and rape of innocent women and children, including babies, who are right now (to the extent they haven’t been killed) enduring unspeakable acts.

I suggest starting over, first with the condemnation of this incredibly evil war crime.

How dare you compare innocent Palestians to the Nazi's. That is beyond bigoted.

EveryKneeShallBow

sprigatito

Israel finally has the excuse it was waiting for. They are going to wipe the Palestinian people off the face of the earth, and the western media will be cheering them on.
This 😔

Agree

Whilst power will be tough surly they can bring food, water and medicine in via the sea?

@miniegg3 Well, as the original thread states, it’s still collective punishment. The million children that live there didn’t vote for Hamas and punishing them is a war crime.

Seriously, are you suggesting that Israel is not only responsible for feeding its own population (the Israeli shekel has just crashed and charities are asking for donations to feed its own soldiers, btw), but incredibly you think it is responsible for feeding and medicating the entire population of a place it is at war with, who just murdered nearly a thousand members of its population at the weekend in the most horrific way possible and who have vowed to commit genocide against all Jews globally??!

Are you insane? What country would ever do that? Why on earth is Israel responsible for this? It hasn't occupied Gaza since 2005 - Hamas is in charge of Gaza, and if they thought it was going to be problematic to feed its population, maybe they should have filled their terror tunnels with food instead of weapons? While Israel didn't know these events were coming, Hamas clearly did - it was clearly a massacre that was long in the planning. If Iran can supply the rockets, I see no reason why they can't supply the food, medicine etc. too. They're not short of a bob or two - Biden just gave them $6 billion.

And if the Gazans want to leave you need to be getting cross with Egypt not Israel for not letting the Gazans out that way. The border between Gaza and Egypt is 12 miles long. Plenty of room for Gazans to leave.

Why do you lay all the blame/responsibility on Israel? Why don't you demand Egypt open its border/feed/medicate the Gazans?? Is it because you don't get to lay all the blame at the door of the Jews then??

It's hard not to see either that or a kind of Orientalism at play, here - one which infantilises the Palestinians, and expects the Jews to effectively look after them - all while shouting about how the Jews mustn't tell them what to do. Palestinians are grown -ups - they can work out for themselves what the consequences are likely to be if they do the equivalent of about 10 9/11s in one day to their next door neighbour, and they can make plans accordingly.

@Tinkerbyebye no, Israel control the sea. It’s why Gaza is known as the worlds largest prison. It’s a total siege

Hamas are terrorists - they need to be stopped. There are no easy answers here and as usual it will be the most vulnerable who suffer the most.

I have been particularly disgusted to see the celebrating on British streets last night, I have no issue with legitimate protest against the bombings but that was beyond the pale. Celebrating the rape and killing of innocent women and children?!

It won’t happen but I hope they are identified and stripped of their British citizenship and they can be shipped to Gaza to help with the cause.

Hamas are the ones making sure Palestinians are suffering they share a boarder with Eygpt. Israel do not starve Palestinians. It is a disgrace that people believe that BMWs can get into Palestine but not food??? Bloody hell try thinking not just believing what you read in the left wing media or Facebook. Hamas want the people of Palestine to blame the Jews and Israel it is a hate as old as time.

I agree.