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To think my friend’s “warning” was fine?

281 replies

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 07/10/2023 16:03

A new Arabic restaurant has opened in our area. A friend of mine went and said she liked the food, but was disappointed there was no alcohol licence. She and I both enjoy wine with a meal, so it did put me off a bit TBH, although I might try it for lunch.

Anyway, someone had posted about this restaurant on our local Facebook page, with all the usual “please support a new local business” comments. My friend had replied on the post saying “Just to warn people, this place doesn’t have an alcohol licence or offer BYOB”.

Honestly, from some of the reactions you’d think she’d confessed to suffocating puppies. People telling her she was pathetic; why on earth should people have to be “warned” about the lack of alcohol; can’t people enjoy even one meal without alcohol; it sums up everything that’s wrong with this country (🙄) and so on. One person (who I assume is connected to the restaurant or its owners) even tried to suggest she was damaging the business!

AIBU to think there was nothing wrong with what she posted? Maybe the word “warn” made it sound a bit overdramatic, but realistically there are a fair few people who wouldn’t want to go to a dry restaurant. As for saying she was damaging the business, that’s just ridiculous in my eyes. It was entirely factual to say they don’t serve alcohol. It’s unlicensed, but they want to keep it a secret? If they’re that worried the lack of a licence will put people off, why not just apply for one?

If they think they can sustain a dry restaurant, they must believe they’ll still get customers who aren’t bothered by the lack of alcohol. So why is it a problem to point out that they don’t sell it?

OP posts:
PurpleButterflyWings · 07/10/2023 16:36

crumblylancs · 07/10/2023 16:35

It's just the word warn I think

Hmmm yeah, maybe the word WARN made it sound a bit OTT. 'Just to give people a heads-up, there's no alcohol served here, and you can't bring your own,' would have been better to say probably.

Creepyrosemary · 07/10/2023 16:37

I wouldn't automatically expect an arabic restaurant to serve wine (or pork for that matter) although I know of some who do. It would have been nicer if she would have said that it was nice and the menu looks like they observe islamic rules regarding which food and drink they serve. That way it doesn't sound negative, but more like a choice they made.

Oh well, no harm done. They'll now receive customers that respect their choice.

zeibesaffron · 07/10/2023 16:37

The word warn is so negative- it could have been framed so much nicer!

‘Food was amazing, a good selection of non alcoholic drinks, as alcohol isn’t on the menu’ or something.

Our local arabic restaurant doesn’t sell alcohol so not sure I would have expected it tbh!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 07/10/2023 16:37

SisterMichaelsHabit · 07/10/2023 16:26

I would think your friend was totally ignorant and possibly racist to feel the need to "warn" people about this non-issue.

Edited

It’s not a non issue, though, as you can see by the voting.

and it really isn’t ‘racist’ to like a drink with your dinner….

SunshineAndFizz · 07/10/2023 16:37

Sounds negative tbh.

If she'd said something like "The food here is great, totally recommend (FYI they don't serve alcohol for anyone who is looking for a place to drink))" then fine.

But her tone wasn't great.

Oysterbabe · 07/10/2023 16:38

PurpleButterflyWings · 07/10/2023 16:35

I expect you know that's alcohol free though. ??? 🙄

I didn't the first time.

If someone posts encouraging people to support a local business then it's not going to go down well if you try and put people off going.

mewkins · 07/10/2023 16:38

It's weird that on local pages you can't even state facts about a restaurant for fear of 'damaging business'. Your friends post is not damaging their business anyhow. It's like saying ' they don't have any vegan options'- it's just stating fact.

newamsterdam · 07/10/2023 16:39

RoomOfRequirement · 07/10/2023 16:34

I don't see the point of making a negative I MUST WARN YOU post.

Surely, IF she had to post it on their FB promotional post she could have made a positive comment about the food/good time then mentioned as an aside that there was no alcohol, it would have been better received.

Even if this was on their reviews, or on Google, her comment would have made more sense. But it comes across as whiny and complaining that she didn't do her research before going and has to tell everyone immediately.

So she's whiny and complaining as she didn;t know, but shes ALSO a terrible person for letting other people know?

That's idiotic.

Sweetspatula · 07/10/2023 16:39

MrsMarzetti · 07/10/2023 16:35

Nothing wrong with what your friend said. Just to warn you is just another way of saying just to let you know. It's not as if she posted a "trigger warning"

This. Just to warn you, it's not open on Monday. Or just to warn you, there is no children's menu. It's a perfectly normal way to phrase something that could impact your decision to do something.

newamsterdam · 07/10/2023 16:41

SunshineAndFizz · 07/10/2023 16:37

Sounds negative tbh.

If she'd said something like "The food here is great, totally recommend (FYI they don't serve alcohol for anyone who is looking for a place to drink))" then fine.

But her tone wasn't great.

This whole thread is full of tone police. She might find the lack of alcohol a negative, lots would. You're allowed to make negative things sound negative, that's how words work.

Seems like veiled #bekind bullshit, to me. Women; know your place, you're not allowed your own opinion and to state it honestly. Be nicer!

Sweetspatula · 07/10/2023 16:41

@MrsMarzetti FB posters are all so batshit, every post should probably be caveated with a trigger warning 😅

OllieCollieWoo · 07/10/2023 16:44

Oysterbabe · 07/10/2023 16:33

I don't think it warrants a warning either.
We have an amazing alcohol free restaurant near us. It's been doing very well for many years.

Because you already know you have the option to decide before you go if you want to take a bottle of wine/lager etc with you.

I dont take it as the poster telling people don't go folks its disappointingly got no alcohol, rather giving people the heads up - you can buy your own (which is fair and cheaper ime).

AgnesX · 07/10/2023 16:44

If it's an Arabic restaurant there's a fair chance it's going to be dry. The restaurant info should have their drinks policy posted.

The warning's probably a good idea though.

DrMarshaFieldstone · 07/10/2023 16:45

I don’t know where you live but in many areas the general Islamophobia is so widespread that it might have sounded like a bit of a racist dog whistle, tbh.

JustWhatWeDontNeed · 07/10/2023 16:45

I think your friend was knobby and I do despair somewhat at those who can't fathom a meal without booze, to the point that they need an advance trigger warning.

She positioned it as a negative. Did she bother saying she liked the food? If not, then why did she feel the need to mention the lack of alcohol? If you're gonna comment on one then it's logical to comment on the otherr, seeing as you've actually had a meal there.

Oysterbabe · 07/10/2023 16:45

OllieCollieWoo · 07/10/2023 16:44

Because you already know you have the option to decide before you go if you want to take a bottle of wine/lager etc with you.

I dont take it as the poster telling people don't go folks its disappointingly got no alcohol, rather giving people the heads up - you can buy your own (which is fair and cheaper ime).

You cannot take your own booze to a dry restaurant.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 07/10/2023 16:46

Everyone is just trying to earn a living so it would have been nicer if she worded it a little better with more balance.

Ate here recently....food was fantastic, great atmosphere and very good service. A little bit disappointed that there was no BYOB option or wine available but overall a very enjoyable meal.

newamsterdam · 07/10/2023 16:47

DrMarshaFieldstone · 07/10/2023 16:45

I don’t know where you live but in many areas the general Islamophobia is so widespread that it might have sounded like a bit of a racist dog whistle, tbh.

A) No

and

B) Its pretty racist of you to assume Arabic means Islamic. There are 15 million Arabic Christians in the Middle East and millions more around the world.

Cornettoninja · 07/10/2023 16:47

newamsterdam · 07/10/2023 16:41

This whole thread is full of tone police. She might find the lack of alcohol a negative, lots would. You're allowed to make negative things sound negative, that's how words work.

Seems like veiled #bekind bullshit, to me. Women; know your place, you're not allowed your own opinion and to state it honestly. Be nicer!

Tone police Grin

ffs, of course people are ‘allowed’ to be negative, just looks a bit ridiculous then when there’s bafflement at getting negative back.

No need for #bekind, just owning what you say/imply and the reactions that creates.

If they don’t ‘get’ it, and ask if/why something hasn’t been received they way they expected then tone will come up.

DrMarshaFieldstone · 07/10/2023 16:49

newamsterdam · 07/10/2023 16:47

A) No

and

B) Its pretty racist of you to assume Arabic means Islamic. There are 15 million Arabic Christians in the Middle East and millions more around the world.

’No’, there is no widespread Islamophobia in parts of the UK? Give over.

I am making no assumptions. It’s a reasonable inference that a dry Arabic restaurant is quite likely to be run by observant Muslims.

*edited for typo

Prinnny · 07/10/2023 16:50

YANBU, I would appreciate the warning and it would make me reconsider going tbh which I suppose is why the restaurant is twisting.

Prinnny · 07/10/2023 16:51

SisterMichaelsHabit · 07/10/2023 16:26

I would think your friend was totally ignorant and possibly racist to feel the need to "warn" people about this non-issue.

Edited

Racist? Give over 🤣🤣🤣

PurpleButterflyWings · 07/10/2023 16:52

DrMarshaFieldstone · 07/10/2023 16:45

I don’t know where you live but in many areas the general Islamophobia is so widespread that it might have sounded like a bit of a racist dog whistle, tbh.

WTAF? Confused

phoenixrosehere · 07/10/2023 16:52

Basilton · 07/10/2023 16:28

If I were going to visit a new restaurant, I would look at the menu online first so would have found out the beverage situation. There was absolutely no need for your friend to post that.

Agree. I think the posters who pointed out that it was unnecessary to warn people were right.

Anyone looking online or passing by would have noted that there was no alcohol on the menu.

Nothing wrong with people liking a drink with their meal, but the need to go as far as posting on a restaurant’s public page to warn others about not being able to have alcohol is a bit OTT especially when you didn’t even mention the food.

PurpleButterflyWings · 07/10/2023 16:53

@SisterMichaelsHabit · Today 16:26

I would think your friend was totally ignorant and possibly racist to feel the need to "warn" people about this non-issue.

Also WTAF?!!! Shock