To be baffled at dislike for Victoria Beckham

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whenever there is something online about this woman… the haters come out in force. today someone calling her “a Katie price that can keep a husband”

what is the problem? She seems like a fairly inoffensive woman who has made a success out of her life (and that was her own success: she had it before she met David)

Why should she smile more? Why should she do anything she doesn't want to do just because the public says she should?

It's bizarre how people think it's ok to rip celebs to shreds without knowing anything about them other than what is written in the gutter press.

I watched the documentary last night. I thought she looked fab and he looked sad. They looked like most couples who have been married for ages and who have gone through some shit times in their lives.

It's very easy for the rest of us to say 'well I wouldn't have done that' 'I'd never do that' from our comfortable positions of never having done any of it.

It doesn't even matter if what they said was truth or lies, it's how they felt and saw it at the time and no one can dispute other peoples feelings. If wealth was an indicator of happiness, good health and good self esteem we wouldn't have so many dead celebs.

No one knows what happens behind closed doors. I think she showed great strength of character when faced with baying mobs singing vile songs about her because her husband kicked off on the pitch. She's also showed great restraint over the years at not responding to some of the bloody awful things said about her. Even the reporters said 'yes we feel guilty and we wouldn't do it now'.

But mostly I don't get how other people can show such nastiness and hate to people they don't know at all.

I like her too. I think it's envy, maybe people perceive things have come too easily to her, I'm not sure.

Re her clothing, how much is she actually involved with?!

Oh for goodness sake, I have seen that video. It was for her reality tv show on moving to America. She's clearly sending herself up in it (and in the whole programme). I can't believe how determined you would have to be to hate someone, not to see that.

Fair enough if he wanted to be an anonymous chef in a restaurant kitchen somewhere. But he doesn’t. He wants to be a celebrity chef. Which requires the public to accept him in that role. And frankly, why should we, when he’s made zero effort to study cooking or even work in a restaurant? Should we accept him as a celebrity chef simply because they throw money at him? I think not.

The same goes for him being a celebrity photographer, or Victoria being a celebrity designer. Why should the public accept someone as being that, when they’ve made zero effort to actually become one, and just thrown money at playing make believe?

If wealth was an indicator of happiness, good health and good self esteem we wouldn't have so many dead celebs.

wealth does equal health hence different life expectancies however fame is not healthy for many.

Why would I have had to do something amazing to point out that she has not? That doesn't make sense.

As it happens, I'm a public worker that earns not great money by helping people every single day, so actually, I do think I have achieved more than she has. Being rich is not an achievement in and of itself, and I can't see what she has actually accomplished to as amazing as some are making out.

It wasn’t a particularly competitive generation of English footballers though was it?

What about at Real Madrid?!

I remember reading that she was learning sewing/garment construction when she was starting her fashion line, and I've certainly seen photos that support that.

Every celebrity slaps their name on a fashion line or make up brand but I actually do like her clothes. I don't have the figure to wear them but I sew myself and like the simple but clever construction she seems to favour in her line.

I've got her Kajal eyeliner in two colours and I absolutely love it. Being fair-lashed and ageing, liquid liner is no longer a good look on my wrinkles but her soft pencil works wonders. I wore her lipstick for my wedding (and aforementioned eyeliner) and a couple of eyeshadows as well. So if those few products are anything to go by, her makeup range is pricy but worth it.

I like her. Yes she's not the best singer or the best fashion designer, but she's managed to make a success of herself all the same. And the worst that can be pinned on her is that she should smile more or is too thin. There's plenty more wankers in the public eye I'd tear down first tbh.

They've done their kids no favours by bigging them up as extraordinarily talented photographers, sportsmen, singers etc. They're distinctly average like most children.

I'm pragmatic enough to accept that nepo children naturally have some advantages. But you're setting them up for ridicule and failure if you tell the press they're super talented when they're not. It's not good parenting.

Whereas Jack Ramsey comes across as a hard-working and very likeable celebrity offspring.

I still think VB has a raw deal in their marriage though if there's any truth in the many rumours.

A lot of rich and "famous" people try to make a name in fashion. You don't hear much about it, because they are not succeeding.

No one expects Victoria to be sewing the dresses of her fashion show in her kitchen at 2am the night before - she's posing for photographers or attending events elsewhere. She has never pretended to be something she's not.

I don't expect her to develop the make-up in the lab either.

I do admire her. Of course she used her name, but she is obviously very hard working, very dedicated, the success of her brand comes from her hard work.

She is involved enough in her clothing brand that it's hers, her brand, and it is the success it is today.

I respect her for her achievements and love her make up brand. It's fantastic. However I don't warm to her at all. I feel uncomfortable watching her and listening to her. I don't know why. I think everything she says is so scripted and perfected.

Let’s compare Victoria Beckham to another celeb such as Stella McCartney. Stella had money and star power behind her but she still made an effort to train as a designer. She did internships with famous designers, then college and university, then a real job for about five years, before launching her own brand. Yes of course she got the jobs because her Dad was famous, and no doubt she used his money to launch her brand. But she still made an effort to become an actual designer. Unlike Victoria Beckham who just threw money at it and made zero effort. Then she passed this attitude on to her offspring, who thought they could buy their way in at the top of any field with zero effort.

And no, her brand is not a success - it loses £10-15 million per year and her husband props it up as a hobby for her.

A lot of rich and "famous" people try to make a name in fashion. You don't hear much about it, because they are not succeeding.

What's key is the profile. The more your in the papers the higher it is. It's why an ordinary dress becomes a complete sell out when on Kate Middleton because she has the profile so has the reach.

As Roland Mouret said she's not a designer like me but unlike me her picture will go around the world

I know some people who have come across her in a work context and say she’s funny, nice and always very professional

But she's not succeding. It's not a success. She's been at it 15 years and its never made a profit, it has debts of over 50 million.

Although she does pay herself 20 mill a year somehow, so I guess thats some sort of dubious success?

I don’t have strong feeling about her either way.

A lot of it probably is misogyny I agree

I don’t dislike her-if he did cheat she put her kids first and stayed with him. Sounds like she takes her marriage seriously. I respect that.

However, I think the dislike may be because anyone can see she is massively punching. If you look at the traditional set up where the man brings status and the woman brings beauty. She’s averagely good looking whereas you would expect a top footballer to be with a model.

That's such a cop out. Women don't like a woman and it's internalised misogyny or jealousy?
It's misogynistic to expect us to like all women!

We have good reasons to not like her. Don't tell us how we think.

*But she's not succeding. It's not a success. She's been at it 15 years and its never made a profit, it has debts of over 50 million.

Although she does pay herself 20 mill a year somehow, so I guess thats some sort of dubious success?*

Her clothing brand is a critical success rather than financial. Couture brands can be an absolute money pit. If you compare the profits of Primark to Stella McCartney the two don't even compare. It seems like it's a passion project rather than something she's doing to make money. Thought I'll be disappointed if she leaves suppliers out of pocket when she eventually closes up.

I think she gives off a cold superior vibe and having the nickname Posh Spice did her no favours as it probably rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way .

I know someone who worked for her and David one. Said she was awful but he was absolutely wonderful.

Whether she's changed in the years since I don't know. Or whether she just didn't like this guy, no idea. She comes across as someone I'd want to be friends with in interviews though. And I think her honesty in the new Netflix thing is great.

I'm not keen on either of the Beckhams but think she and Rebecca Loos were treated way worse by the press than David Beckham who was the one cheating....?

But I do think that her success is mainly down to luck and opportunity rather than any discernible talent. It was very grating when she won an entrepreneur award some years ago.

And I think she and many other female celebs have EDs that they control at a manageable level but Id have more respect if they were honest about the pressure of being in the public eye and an expectation to stay thin, rather than pretend they only like vegetables!!

That's seems to be a way of defining failure as success. They let her in to the inner circles because she is rich, famous and well connected, and she splashes her cash in the right places. They fawn over her for who she is, not what she does.

That is not most peoples definition of success.

i Know nothing about the woman apart from her being in spice girls and now she designs clothes, but years and years ago I was flicking through channels and seeing what was on and stumbled onto a fly on the wall show about their lives, kind of like the Kardashian’s show. She had a nanny/housekeeper person and a friend was round and they were discussing David and the friend said how handsome he looked, the nanny agreed and Victoria turned to her and was all, “oh, you agree? Do you think my husband is attractive? How attractive? Do you like talking to him?” Etc. Basically tried to humiliate the nanny along with veiled threats that her job was at risk as she fancied David. It was really uncomfortable and I know these things are partially scripted but that didn’t seem to be. It was such a set up to lord her power and position over the nanny.
I’ve never watched an interview with her or ever seen her speak I don’t think, apart from that clip so I don’t like her at all.