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David Beckham

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Pumpkinoutfitsgalore · 06/10/2023 09:52

Enjoyed watching the documentary, he was different than I expected him to be, not sure how really, but I have more respect for Victoria now as I think their lives have been about what he wanted/needed mainly
There are rumours of lots of affairs, is this true though as I find that hard to believe, he seemed so obsessed with her

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BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 11:00

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 14/10/2023 10:57

Talent is inherent. No amount of education can create it. Same as intelligence.

IMy DH played a sport at national level. He always said he often won against far better players and talented players and it was not because of his own talent but because he put in the hours and hours of practice and hard work every week.

He said exactly what I did then. 🤷‍♀️ He didn’t become more talented, did he?

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 14/10/2023 11:43

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 11:00

He said exactly what I did then. 🤷‍♀️ He didn’t become more talented, did he?

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Talent is defined as natural skill or aptitude.

In terms of competition it is measured in terms of success.

You replied to a poster’s claim that despite the Beckham’s children having access to the best education and opportunities that they don’t seem to be talented. I think that poster misused the word talent and meant achievements.

My point is that it is very possible for education and hard work to succeed over natural ability particularly ability that is not utilised.

For example, there are probably hundreds of kids playing barefoot on the roads in Africa who excel at football never having donned a pair of football boots. Are the kids currently in junior leagues more talented than them? Yes probably due to opportunities to learn from those better than them.

Tambatamba · 14/10/2023 13:35

You replied to a poster’s claim that despite the Beckham’s children having access to the best education and opportunities that they don’t seem to be talented. I think that poster misused the word talent and meant achievements.

Yes, that's probably more fitting.

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 13:43

Tambatamba · 14/10/2023 13:35

You replied to a poster’s claim that despite the Beckham’s children having access to the best education and opportunities that they don’t seem to be talented. I think that poster misused the word talent and meant achievements.

Yes, that's probably more fitting.

Agreed. Perhaps I should have said that in the first place.

Ramalangadingdong · 14/10/2023 14:41

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 14/10/2023 10:57

Talent is inherent. No amount of education can create it. Same as intelligence.

IMy DH played a sport at national level. He always said he often won against far better players and talented players and it was not because of his own talent but because he put in the hours and hours of practice and hard work every week.

This is so true. I have seen this my whole life. You don’t even have to be intellectually gifted to do quite well academically. You just need to work. Most people can do well at things if they put their minds to it - very few are duffers and very few are exceptional; most people are somewhere in the middle with average ability.

LizzieSiddal · 14/10/2023 15:51

The kids have gone to schools in the Uk, Spain, USA and then Uk again. I expect that had quite an impact on their education.

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 14/10/2023 16:07

LizzieSiddal · 14/10/2023 15:51

The kids have gone to schools in the Uk, Spain, USA and then Uk again. I expect that had quite an impact on their education.

It depends. International private schools follow the same curriculum to enable kids to slot into schools wherever they are. It shouldn’t have affected them academically but I expect it impacted them socially.

Mirabai · 14/10/2023 19:19

Ramalangadingdong · 14/10/2023 14:41

This is so true. I have seen this my whole life. You don’t even have to be intellectually gifted to do quite well academically. You just need to work. Most people can do well at things if they put their minds to it - very few are duffers and very few are exceptional; most people are somewhere in the middle with average ability.

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Absolutely. 90% perspiration 10% inspiration.

GodDammitCecil · 14/10/2023 19:40

Beckham was a talented footballer because he worked so hard at it.

He wasn’t born a talented footballer. It wasn’t ’inherent’. He practiced day-in-and-day-out. His Dad made him do shot, after shot, after shot. Corner after corner, after corner.

That hard work and dedication was part of his story.

He was talented because he practiced so hard and worked so hard at it.

happinessischocolate · 15/10/2023 00:37

GodDammitCecil · 14/10/2023 19:40

Beckham was a talented footballer because he worked so hard at it.

He wasn’t born a talented footballer. It wasn’t ’inherent’. He practiced day-in-and-day-out. His Dad made him do shot, after shot, after shot. Corner after corner, after corner.

That hard work and dedication was part of his story.

He was talented because he practiced so hard and worked so hard at it.

Totally

There may be a touch of natural hand eye coordination built in, and a touch of ocd wanting to keep on doing it and a touch committed dad but it wasn't a easy natural gift

It was interesting hearing other footballers saying be could stuff that others couldn't. Plus after 1998 he was totally committed to proving everyone wrong that he gave so much and wouldn't give up

The Beckham kids will never know that kind of opposition to what they do - thankfully

GodDammitCecil · 15/10/2023 00:45

I’m not saying he didn’t have some natural aptitude. And clearly LOVED football, so that helped immeasurably.

But he was so faltered purely because he worked so hard at it.

GodDammitCecil · 15/10/2023 00:57

*so talented

derxa · 17/10/2023 13:27

GodDammitCecil · 14/10/2023 19:40

Beckham was a talented footballer because he worked so hard at it.

He wasn’t born a talented footballer. It wasn’t ’inherent’. He practiced day-in-and-day-out. His Dad made him do shot, after shot, after shot. Corner after corner, after corner.

That hard work and dedication was part of his story.

He was talented because he practiced so hard and worked so hard at it.

You must be joking. Did you see the footage of him playing when he was a young boy? Unbelievable skill. You cannot teach spatial skills like that.

BIossomtoes · 17/10/2023 14:16

derxa · 17/10/2023 13:27

You must be joking. Did you see the footage of him playing when he was a young boy? Unbelievable skill. You cannot teach spatial skills like that.

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Quite. And you can’t create talent through hard work and application. You can only maximise its potential. Players like Best and Beckham come along very rarely and they’re born, not created.

Tambatamba · 17/10/2023 16:43

Well most successful sport stars had pushy parents. That was the case with Andre Agassi. But there are many pushy parents whose child didn't make it because they didn't have enough talent.

JustAMinutePleass · 17/10/2023 16:48

Tambatamba · 17/10/2023 16:43

Well most successful sport stars had pushy parents. That was the case with Andre Agassi. But there are many pushy parents whose child didn't make it because they didn't have enough talent.

I know someone who trained with Beckham when he was a kid. Just as talented but was Indian and the football coaches literally bypassed him due to racism (he was fed lots of racist excuses like he wouldn’t develop the muscle mass / height to succeed as he’s Indian etc etc). The children who succeed in football aren’t always the most talented - they tend to be the ones who are the best connected within football circles.

Tambatamba · 17/10/2023 16:53

How depressing yet unsurprising. Racism would have been even worse at that time.

ClemmyTine · 17/10/2023 17:04

I'm assuming that's Lymm's? Most people I know from around Nottingham use them for their family funerals.

Sorry to go off thread as well.

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 17/10/2023 17:24

JustAMinutePleass · 17/10/2023 16:48

I know someone who trained with Beckham when he was a kid. Just as talented but was Indian and the football coaches literally bypassed him due to racism (he was fed lots of racist excuses like he wouldn’t develop the muscle mass / height to succeed as he’s Indian etc etc). The children who succeed in football aren’t always the most talented - they tend to be the ones who are the best connected within football circles.

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I can well believe this sadly.

Andre Agassi got to his position from very hard work and being pushed. Andre Agassi hated tennis. Not bc sure if it has now changed but at one stage he did not allow his children to play.

and they’re born, not created.

The William’s father agrees. He decided they were going to play tennis before they could walk! Again very hard and continuous work paid off.

derxa · 17/10/2023 17:36

So many posts trying to prove that Beckham wasn’t a talented footballer. I played hockey at school. I could have practised all day long everyday and still wouldn’t have made it to county level.

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 17/10/2023 18:23

Derva. Tbf the discussion has moved on from David Beckham.

Take your example of school sport.
Some schools specialise in one sport. They are known as ‘rugby schools’. The kids who attend are expected to try out and play. They very often play for a club outside of school. The schools focus is rugby. Serious coaches are brought in. The boys represent their school and their county and then their country. Are boys going to represent their county and eventually their country. Nope. But many will…..

On the other hand there are schools that have sport taught by the PE teacher. The PE teacher who likes sport but isn’t big on motivating and doesn’t specialise in one sport, trying to teach thirty kids like you and I who’d give it an hour of their time once a week but not have a keen interest in it or be dedicated enough or pushed enough to keep trying and trying.

Why are kids who have tutors and hugely supportive parents more likely to get into grammar schools? Is it because they are much cleverer than the other kids who don’t have tutors?

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 17/10/2023 18:39
  • I forgot about the edit function - so many errors.

I meant for example take a rugby school and are all boys going to make it.
And too many more typos to mention!

derxa · 17/10/2023 18:46

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 17/10/2023 18:23

Derva. Tbf the discussion has moved on from David Beckham.

Take your example of school sport.
Some schools specialise in one sport. They are known as ‘rugby schools’. The kids who attend are expected to try out and play. They very often play for a club outside of school. The schools focus is rugby. Serious coaches are brought in. The boys represent their school and their county and then their country. Are boys going to represent their county and eventually their country. Nope. But many will…..

On the other hand there are schools that have sport taught by the PE teacher. The PE teacher who likes sport but isn’t big on motivating and doesn’t specialise in one sport, trying to teach thirty kids like you and I who’d give it an hour of their time once a week but not have a keen interest in it or be dedicated enough or pushed enough to keep trying and trying.

Why are kids who have tutors and hugely supportive parents more likely to get into grammar schools? Is it because they are much cleverer than the other kids who don’t have tutors?

My username is derxa. I lived and breathed sport at school and then played hockey as an adult. I was a sports coordinator when I taught primary. No amount of practising would have turned me into a county hockey player. Some kids are talented. They are physically gifted. I don’t know why you’re trying to deny it.

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 17/10/2023 18:54

lived and breathed sport at school

Did you live and breathe hockey though?
Did your parents put you into a club when you were still in primary school and continue playing outside of school growing up too?

I’m not denying some people are much better at sports than others. Maybe you were particularly bad but what you did do made you an average player?

derxa · 17/10/2023 19:09

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 17/10/2023 18:54

lived and breathed sport at school

Did you live and breathe hockey though?
Did your parents put you into a club when you were still in primary school and continue playing outside of school growing up too?

I’m not denying some people are much better at sports than others. Maybe you were particularly bad but what you did do made you an average player?

😂😂😂
’particularly bad’. My pe teacher made me centre forward for the school team so I couldn’t have been that bad. I was school athletics champion so physically able but not gifted. You’re right about the fact that some schools have a particular focus. We were a rugby playing school and this fed into the local rugby club. Now 40 years later one local girl plays in the Scottish women’s team. But she’s the exception rather than the rule.