A woman is a woman

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For those who have been following the Tory conference and general themes of their speeches…

How do you feel about Sunak’s speech?

I know there has been a lot of discussion on here from those who didn’t want to vote for a party that didn’t know the definition of a woman.

Rishi has stated clearly that “a woman is a woman and a man is a man.” While I’d argue that still isn’t a definition, per se, he is appeasing this way of thinking.

So I’m just wondering. Is this enough for you to vote Tory at the next election?

I’m exactly the same (although I don’t work for the NHS, it’s in my top three priorities). I absolutely cannot vote for a party who clearly want to destroy it, even putting all the other reasons not to vote for them to one side. But, as a woman, I also cannot vote for a party that doesn’t recognise biology and is willing to dismantle my sex based rights.

I think that the Tories will still win the next election.

I feel this question is posed
a) to publicise what Sunak said, in case anyone missed it, and
b) to create a cheap focus group for Sunak's advisors...

I'm not a 'Tory voter', although I have voted for them in the past. I've voted Labour, Green party and LibDem over the years as well, depending on what I considered to be most suitable for my needs at the time.

Generally I consider all politicians and political parties to be scummy liars, full of empty promises and ridiculous agendas, as my starting point, and go from there. But claiming that men can be women and vice versa is a scummy lie too far. Who can have even a tiny bit of respect for a party/politician who spouts such stupidities?

If voting were based on this one issue, I'd vote Tory for sure. As it is though, I suspect I'll end up spoiling my ballot.

Would never vote Tory. But would never vote for a Labour MP who thinks it is absolutely fine for males to be in Women’s prisons, and who refuses to engage .

I’m considering it. I hate admitting it but I very likely won’t vote Labour, certainly not Lib Dems or Green. If I still lived in Wales I’d happily tell the PC candidates where they could stick their vote - they completely lost the plot. I will be having a good look at Indy candidates when the time comes or I may abstain. I will wait until I see all candidates mandates but the reality of choice is either Tory or Labour and I currently think both parties are atrocious but at least Conservatives are openly atrocious.

I can’t say our local Tory MP has done a bad job, and it is important to trust who’s representing you locally not just the numpties in No 10.

And no I’d never vote Tory, but in a million years.

Oh for heavens sake, the NHS is in meltdown, schools are stretched beyond coping, there’s raw sewage in our waters, we are living through the biggest cost of living crisis since WW2, and we are being shat upon from a great height by a corrupt government. I couldn’t give a flying fuck if a man wants to wear a dress and call himself Brenda. The gender issue is a sideshow in politics, not the main event. Something needs to change.

No, not voting Tory.

For those who don’t read the DM, although it was reported in the Telegraph and the Herald as well

I had the same thought. Hope they get the message from Mn that whatever he says, people detest him and his party.

Betting mnhq won’t move this thread. About right for AIBU

Anything pro women gets shunted off

These are just words and as the saying goes actions speak louder than words. The Tories are no friend to women, women are less safe now than ever, DV is on the increase, women and children are suffering the most when it comes to the cost of living crisis and poverty, childcare a mess and unaffordable and unavailable. Tory policies have not benefitted women in any shape or form. By standing up and saying a woman is a woman is basic stuff and meaningless if you do not put women front and centre or your policies. To me it is similar to pro choice people who are all about protecting the unborn child but the minute the child is born they could not care less about it.

I am pro-woman, but I hate the fact that the level of transphobia on MN is ignored and allowed to continue. It's obscene.

All of this. This is the Tories in a nutshell: selling off people's futures for some short term tax benefits: Brexit, tax cuts, HS2, selling off council homes, selling off public utilities. It's all absolute shit and costs us massively in the long term. But the media, who are largely owned by foreign based oligarchs keep telling us they're safer for the economy. And people actually fall for this rubbish because someone puts a slogan on a bus or reads something on FB about Keir Starmer. Unbelievable.

@SeptemberSuns If you see transphobia then report it and MN will delete it.

Disagreeing with a statement such as TWAW is not transphobia. GC beliefs are protected in law and part of that protection is about being allowed to state those beliefs and the implications that come from them.

No one GC cares if a man puts on a dress and calls himself Brenda either. More power to men who break gender stereotypes!

however Brenda is not a woman and doesn’t belong in women’s spaces. We don’t want Brenda in our changing rooms, sports, prisons, refuges, menopause groups, rape support groups, programmes to improved women’s representation in STEM or advising the RC Obs & gyn on maternity policy as a lived experience representative. That’s the issue, not whether ‘Brenda’ wears a sodding dress. As it stands though Labour & Lib Dem’s would say that Brenda IS a woman if they say they are and is entitled to do all those things

I can’t believe this still has to be spelt out

What would you consider to be transphobia that hasn’t been removed? I would hope any actual abuse directed to or about trans people is removed. Unfortunately many people are conflicting actual transphobia with ‘but I don’t like that opinion because you don’t believe trans women are actual women’. I’m sure you didn’t mean that though.

I agree with some of the policies of all.the parties and all of the policies of none of the parties. Ver the years Ive voted for 3 different parties. I'll vote where I think the best balance lies and at the moment that's Labour as many Conservative pronouncements leave me horrified.

This. Sunak coming out with a meaningless soundbite is going to make zero difference to my voting intention.

What are you including as transphobic?

Do you mean single sex spaces (based on sex not gender) as that’s usually what pro women posters want

@EasternStandard - no of course I don't mean single sex spaces - I mean the outright transphobia on here. It's never very far away.

Having an opinion on something is one thing, but would you say, "I don't like black people" on here and expect not to be called a racist?

Report the transphobia, it’ll be deleted

Not in a million years.

Also - “a woman is a woman” is meaningless without defining what a woman is. A sub-atomic particle is a sub-atomic particle but that doesn’t help me understand what one is.

Sunak would say any fucking thing at the moment to try and get votes. So fucking transparent. Cunt.

I can’t say I’ve seen the equivalent ‘I don’t like trans people’

But if you do report mnhq will delete it

This with bells and whistles on.

It is not 'transphobic' to assert facts. Neither is it 'transphobic' to want to keep women's spaces safe and for women only.

Utterly tedious that it still has to be repeated.

Yep utterly tedious, ill-informed, transphobic attitudes. Go back to the 1950s where you could live your best racist, misogynistic, homophobic lives too.