AIBU or is mumsnet slowly being infiltrated by women hating men.

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

Am I imagining things or is it getting worse here. Every single time we post something a poster will immediately pop up and hijack the thread with a pro-men agenda instead of actually contributing to the thread.

Please tell me if you agree. I can't possibly be the only one who thinks this.

‘Twas ever thus.

The regular DDOS attacks by men who hate women speaking to each other

The MRAs starting threads about fictional “evil wives” to get MNers whipped up into a frenzy (“What a bitch!” etc)

The pervs on the Sex board 🤢

The pervs who continually post threads about leaking nappies, leaking periods, farts and incontinence 🤢🤢🤢

MN has had a problem with dodgy men for a very long time.

I do think there are a lot of anti feminist posters. Sadly-I think most of them are women.

I’ve noticed threads by women who are separating, their husbands have never done an ounce of ‘childcare’ and suddenly want 50/50. It’s clearly to avoid child maintenance. Yet people come on to say the man’s entitled to see his children or the children are entitled to see their dad (which is true) yet ignore the fact he has never shown them any interest before. Worse is when the mum is accused of being grabby for wanting them most of the time and for wanting the money to support them.

I think NAMALT is the strongest way forward for change, and should be mentioned on every thread.

Because not all men are like that. So how to get more who aren't like that?

And one answer lies with the NAMALT men themselves - who need to challenge the shits, and make sure that shitty behaviour isn't rewarded.

I don't see it as a weak "NAMALT so no-one needs to do anything"
Rather NAMALT, so there's no inherent reason for men to be shits (evidenced by the existence non-shits), so how does society as a whole get more NAMALTS and fewer shits?

Maybe because so many men still treat women and girls appallingly?

Maybe because we have a society where rape and sexual assault are common place and very few offenders ever get convicted?

Maybe because women are sick of having partners who think what they see in porn is what sex should be like?

Maybe because we have a society that protects and celebrate men like Russell Brand?

Have thought about the fact that this is not 'women hating men' bit rather simply women honestly and openly sharing their negative experiences of interacting with men?

Toxic masculinity is a fact.

Until people like you accept that rather than suggest women keep their concerns to themselves as not to offend men we should instead openly address the massive issues of how men behave things won't change.

It is actually a great thing that more women are speaking out.

Divorce/separation changes everything.

And it's been the case for decades now that past conduct (unless criminal) is irrelevant to sorting out the future arrangements (whether that's adultery, housework or childcare).

How rude are you? You started this thread It's basic netiquette to provide the evidence to support your premise.

Fucks sake, you're the one who started the thread with a wild sweeping statement. It's on you to show what you mean.

Or can you not find any actual examples now?

If anything I think it is being infiltrated by people who hate women.

Perhaps you should. As a man he is more than twice as likely to get murdered.

Yeah I've noticed this. They pretend to post as women but even in text, the male entitlement is so obvious.

Further proof that men can never be women!

And who is he likely to be murdered by?

Agree with the pp who notices the rise in 'females' being used as a noun. Very incelly language and a big old red flag, imo.

Men. Obviously. But it seems bizarre that you would worry less about your son despite him being statistically more likely to be murdered, just because it’s by his own sex.

If you use NAMALT in that way, you're in a minority. I have never actually seen a post where its used in that way.
Its invariably used by women and men who can't differentiate between a comment on the societal problem of male bad behaviour and a personal attack on them or their husband and sons.
Who think protecting themselves or the good men in their own lives from having their feelings hurt is more important than women's right to discuss and raise awareness of their experiences of the bad ones.
Women who's sense of personal security rests on othering women who men treat badly, as having poor judgment, the wrong friends, exaggerating because they're bitter or jealous, unattractive, overlooked or old.
Men who benefit by framing themselves as the more desirable good guy by comparison, or justify turning a blind eye to the pattern of poor treatment of women by men, by pointing out there are bad 'people' not just bad men.
I agree NAMALT. But in my experience the ones who aren't have the emotional intelligence and sensitivity not to pipe up to tell abused, raped and otherwise victimised women that.

By men. Minimising male violence yet again.

And when I said "women fearing for their sons" I meant the sad sacks who think their sons are being judged for having a penis. Yes, because people with penises commit most of the crimes. Not people without.

@NotSuchASmugMarried

women have a lot of reasons to hate men tbf

So, are you more or less worried about your son getting murdered than your daughter?

I wonder how many of the men being murdered were involved in crime? Rather than completely innocent and murdered by a partner or a man they know?

Not a prejudiced thing to say given the relative prison populations.

Still less @Kemper My daughter has already experienced far more harassment than my son, in this country and when she is in other countries.

I’m sorry she’s gone through that. However, it doesn’t change the fact she is much less likely to be murdered.

The posters who pull the 'worried for my sons' crap aren't saying that because theyre worried about them being murdered, as well you know.

They're worried about their potentially shitty behaviour leading to actual consequences for them.

Ironic really, given how rarely it does.

I had a poster the other day (an actual woman, I think) telling me I was lying about being married because I didn't change my name. Apparently I'm just so jealous of married women that I invented a husband. Because it's impossible that a married woman wouldn't want to change her name.

Is it just me that was very confused by this op? It seems to say the opposite to the title?

@Kemper
Do you really worry a great deal about your son being murdered? As in , when he goes out in the early evening now the nights are drawing in and it’s is dark quite early, are you sitting at home worrying that someone is going to leap out of the gloom and stab him?

Because if you do , you either:

Have a son who has some dodgy connections

Live in an area which is more susceptible to random violence than anywhere in the UK ( maybe not Chicago).

Are suffering from clinical levels of anxiety and should probably seek help

or just trying to derail the thread with spurious misinterpretation of statistical information.

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@FUPAgirl it should be women-hating men.