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IClaudine · 2023-09-30T09:03:02+00:00

He has no backbone, no coherent policies (u-turns a dozen times a day)and no understanding of ordinary people's lives. Plus he wears all his clothes a size too small, which really irritates me.

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 08:23

countrygirl99 · 03/10/2023 08:18

What previous PMs/leaders have done is in many ways irrelevant. Right now our choice is Sunak, who for many years has been a member of a failing government and is currently flip flopping like a dying haddock or Starmer, who was a highly effective DPP.
Not voting Labour because of Corbyn is like giving someone directions that tell them not to start from here.

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I am not going to vote Tory because of what John Stuart did as Prime Minister, it was quite awful.

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2023 08:24

Tories bad, Labour good

Absolute nonsense.

Many posters on here are swing voters, some have even voted Conservative in the past. There is plenty to criticise about Labour but if you are looking around after 13 years of Tory and think they deserve more time, then at least list the things that you think they have done well.

'labour would be worse' is just lazy.

So come on, what have the Tories done well the last 13 years?

bombastix · 03/10/2023 08:31

Expect a small bounce in the polls. Whether it lasts is another matter.

I would also expect both parties to depersonalise their campaigns. Neither leader is really charismatic.

Lots of little announcements today in the Times testing stocking filler policies (small cheap but potent). I still think that's not enough to win an election on. But it is definitely what you will have from the Tories for the next nine months.

BitOutOfPractice · 03/10/2023 08:44

so the reason the Tories haven’t been able to make long term plans since 2010 @Lastchancechica is because of a pandemic that happened 10 years into their tenure, that they themselves have admitted they didn’t have a plan for…. OK 🤷‍♀️

funny they suddenly get their long term planning pants on when it’s too late for them ever to be judged on them. And their long term planning looks like a series of Dukes of Hazard style hand break u-turns.

Efacsen · 03/10/2023 09:21

BitOutOfPractice · 03/10/2023 08:44

so the reason the Tories haven’t been able to make long term plans since 2010 @Lastchancechica is because of a pandemic that happened 10 years into their tenure, that they themselves have admitted they didn’t have a plan for…. OK 🤷‍♀️

funny they suddenly get their long term planning pants on when it’s too late for them ever to be judged on them. And their long term planning looks like a series of Dukes of Hazard style hand break u-turns.

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Of course a large part of their pre-pandemic tenure was completely taken up with Brexit which is probably now 'nothing to do with them' as well since it has been such an epic success

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 09:33

ilovesooty · 03/10/2023 07:37

It's like employing tradesperson A and seeing them wreck your house, then employing them again because you heard that tradesperson B didn't do a brilliant job for one of your neighbours years ago - despite the fact that tradesperson B doesn't have any of the same workers now, and will in any case have to fix the unholy mess tradesperson
A made.

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It’s more like Tradesman A wrecked my house but someone down the road with a grudge about Tradesman B says they did a bad job a decade ago when in actuality all the photos from the time show they did it really well.

Daz57 · 03/10/2023 09:56

sep135 · 03/10/2023 07:00

Jgw1 as I said, I think they're all as bad as each other. Starmer also broke lockdown rules and there was some kind of cover up. I'm appalled by some of things Angela Rayner has said. Jeremy Corbyn too.

As with most others, this thread immediately descended into insulting anyone that dared to put their head above the parapet and saying they're weren't voting for Labour. We're thick, we're scum, we're racist. Just a few I've seen on recent threads.

You want to vote for Labour and I respect your reasons for doing so. But the MN narrative that Labour = good, Conservative = evil stifles any debate. I suspect the intention of many posters is to bully anyone who has a different view off the thread until it becomes a happy echo chamber.

This is the most accurate post on this thread. I was thinking exactly the same. Well said.

pointythings · 03/10/2023 10:01

@Daz57 you know full well that Keir Starmer did not break lockdown rules. He was investigated twice and no breach was found. A claim of cover up requires substantiation. If you or @sep135 have any, pass it to the police.

Saying they're all as bad as each other is a lazy excuse for refusing to ask yourself why you vote the way you do.

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 10:10

If they are all as bad as each other, why not vote Labour this time @sep135 instead of Tory? You never know, you might be surprised by what you get. Whereas voting Tory and expecting a different experience is possibly a bit unwise at this point.

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Daz57 · 03/10/2023 10:11

I vote for them because I think at this point in time they would be the better party to run the country but of course time will tell. I am older and have very bad memories of Labour governments.
I hope more people will find the courage to put their heads above the parapet too.

HarrietPierce · 03/10/2023 10:14

"you know full well that Keir Starmer did not break lockdown rules. He was investigated twice and no breach was found"

They just keep repeating this stupid lie The rules in operation for example the Downing Street garden party of May 20 2020 were not the same as those in effect when Starmer and his staff gathered in Durham on April 30 2021.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1051374/Investigation_into_alleged_gatherings_on_government_premises_during_Covid_restrictions_-_Update.pdf

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 10:14

Daz57 · 03/10/2023 10:11

I vote for them because I think at this point in time they would be the better party to run the country but of course time will tell. I am older and have very bad memories of Labour governments.
I hope more people will find the courage to put their heads above the parapet too.

As I said earlier I am not going to vote Tory because of some of the awful things that John Stuart did.

BMW6 · 03/10/2023 10:16

countrygirl99 · 03/10/2023 07:07

Abd if you go on many political posts you will find plenty of Conservatives are wonderful, Labour are evil posters so I don't think there is the pervasive MN narrative you so condescendingly dismiss.

I'm a swing voter between Labour/Conservative so have no bias, but in the over 10 years I've been on Mumsnet I don't recall ANY posts deriding Labour supporters as Vile, Evil, Scum etc etc

Thousands the other way. That's why so few Conservative voters post on here - just invites a pile-on and name calling.

Before you ask how I can switch from one to the other, I vote for the party that I believe will be better for the Country as a whole at the time. Times change the situation between elections and different problems arise needing solutions.

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 10:16

Daz57 · 03/10/2023 10:11

I vote for them because I think at this point in time they would be the better party to run the country but of course time will tell. I am older and have very bad memories of Labour governments.
I hope more people will find the courage to put their heads above the parapet too.

I am also older and no Labour or Tory government in my adult life time has been as bad as this shower.

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Daz57 · 03/10/2023 10:21

BMW6 · 03/10/2023 10:16

I'm a swing voter between Labour/Conservative so have no bias, but in the over 10 years I've been on Mumsnet I don't recall ANY posts deriding Labour supporters as Vile, Evil, Scum etc etc

Thousands the other way. That's why so few Conservative voters post on here - just invites a pile-on and name calling.

Before you ask how I can switch from one to the other, I vote for the party that I believe will be better for the Country as a whole at the time. Times change the situation between elections and different problems arise needing solutions.

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Thank you for such a measured response. I feel much the same.

BitOutOfPractice · 03/10/2023 10:23

Daz57 · 03/10/2023 10:11

I vote for them because I think at this point in time they would be the better party to run the country but of course time will tell. I am older and have very bad memories of Labour governments.
I hope more people will find the courage to put their heads above the parapet too.

funny isn’t it? You remember every “bad” thing that happened under labour in the 70s (not that they were in power for all of the 70s, something that those with “long memories” seem to conveniently forget. At the same time excusing any number of appalling decisions by the Tories that have happened in the last two years. That level of double think is breathtaking.

I am also “older” and remember the political landscape of the 70s. I also remember a lot of the brilliant things the last Labour government did for ordinary people in the 90s and 2000s.

AdamRyan · 03/10/2023 10:31

BMW6 · 03/10/2023 10:16

I'm a swing voter between Labour/Conservative so have no bias, but in the over 10 years I've been on Mumsnet I don't recall ANY posts deriding Labour supporters as Vile, Evil, Scum etc etc

Thousands the other way. That's why so few Conservative voters post on here - just invites a pile-on and name calling.

Before you ask how I can switch from one to the other, I vote for the party that I believe will be better for the Country as a whole at the time. Times change the situation between elections and different problems arise needing solutions.

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Hmm. I personally have been accused of being in a "purity spiral", virtue signalling, lying, thinking I'm kinder than everyone else, a racist, a fascist, a trans rights activist, a CCHQ plant, a labour politician, condescending, patronising, insulting and stupid by posters for showing support to Labour or a left wing position.

I have seen jgw called a communist and a fascist for asking some very mild questions of Conservative voters.

In fact I think the worst insults I've seen have come from posters supporting the Conservatives.

Alexandra2001 · 03/10/2023 10:33

BMW6 · 03/10/2023 10:16

I'm a swing voter between Labour/Conservative so have no bias, but in the over 10 years I've been on Mumsnet I don't recall ANY posts deriding Labour supporters as Vile, Evil, Scum etc etc

Thousands the other way. That's why so few Conservative voters post on here - just invites a pile-on and name calling.

Before you ask how I can switch from one to the other, I vote for the party that I believe will be better for the Country as a whole at the time. Times change the situation between elections and different problems arise needing solutions.

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Been on MN for about 8 years, the name calling has gone both ways but with a few exceptions, its very limited, MN deletes posts like that and eventually bans people.

I think few Cons post on here because there genuinely isn't that many, look at some of the polling? few back Tory policies, even the opinion polls give Tories just 25% of the vote.

Crikeyalmighty · 03/10/2023 10:40

@BitOutOfPractice at 61- I sat exactly the same as you. My father in law is 84 and has voted for every party at various times but there is no way he would vote for this bunch of basically UKIP views under a Tory banner.

Crikeyalmighty · 03/10/2023 10:47

@countrygirl99 beautifully put. The problem for the Tory's is they essentially got rid of their right of centre, pro EU, business minded politicians as they weren't toing the Brexit, libertarian agenda. Meaning they now have a party made up mainly of failed Apprentice candidates

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 11:01

Crikeyalmighty · 03/10/2023 10:40

@BitOutOfPractice at 61- I sat exactly the same as you. My father in law is 84 and has voted for every party at various times but there is no way he would vote for this bunch of basically UKIP views under a Tory banner.

UKIP views under a Tory banner

This is it exactly. This is where we are now.

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pointythings · 03/10/2023 11:04

I am old enough to have lived through the Thatcher years. Those Tories were stellar models of competence and integrity compared to this lot.

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 11:25

Farage has said today that the Tories,are basically becoming UKIP and that GB News will help decide the next election. Also:

https://x.com/NicholasPegg/status/1709101246882132069?s=20

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 11:27

And someone called me deluded for suggesting the Tories are now ultra right wing...

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Iwantmyoldnameback · 03/10/2023 11:30

sep135 · 03/10/2023 06:41

Honestly, I think they're pretty much as bad as each other.

I don't think Labour will fix deep-seated structural and societal issues that need a 10 year approach as a minimum. They've not covered themselves in glory running the economy at times (including the gold sales). We have an eye-wateringly high public debt and options are fairly limited given the tax burden is at its highest level since world two.

I'll reluctantly be voting Conservative (as I believe in using my vote and I don't mind Rishi Sunak) but I'd happily switch allegiance to a new party in the future. Preferably with leaders that haven't spent their lives in the Westminster bubble and have some experience in other occupations.

Then why are you not voting for the party led by the man who has not spent most of his life in the Westminster bubble?
Your post makes no sense.