Page 28 | To intensely dislike Rishi Sunak?

IClaudine · 2023-09-30T09:03:02+00:00

He has no backbone, no coherent policies (u-turns a dozen times a day)and no understanding of ordinary people's lives. Plus he wears all his clothes a size too small, which really irritates me.

DuncinToffee · 02/10/2023 21:47

Starmer vs Sunak (1 October):

Starmer leads Sunak on ALL 17 leadership characteristics polled, including:

Cares about people like me (41% | 25%)
Understands the problems afflicting UK (42% | 29%)
Is a strong leader (36% | 30%)
Can build a strong economy (38% | 35%)

Passepartoute · 02/10/2023 23:46

Luckydip1 · 02/10/2023 20:01

We should be getting behind the PM, not knocking him down.

On that basis we should have got behind Johnson when he repeatedly lied to us and partied whilst we were all forgoing visiting people we loved before they died. And we should have got behind Truss as she wrecked the economy.

We have no duty to get behind anyone who is messing up to the spectacular degree this mob are. If anything, they should get out of the way and let us elect a competent party who we can get behind and support because they've actually earned our support.

sep135 · 03/10/2023 06:41

Honestly, I think they're pretty much as bad as each other.

I don't think Labour will fix deep-seated structural and societal issues that need a 10 year approach as a minimum. They've not covered themselves in glory running the economy at times (including the gold sales). We have an eye-wateringly high public debt and options are fairly limited given the tax burden is at its highest level since world two.

I'll reluctantly be voting Conservative (as I believe in using my vote and I don't mind Rishi Sunak) but I'd happily switch allegiance to a new party in the future. Preferably with leaders that haven't spent their lives in the Westminster bubble and have some experience in other occupations.

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2023 06:50

Public debt has more than doubled in the last 13 years. Despite austerity.

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 06:51

sep135 · 03/10/2023 06:41

Honestly, I think they're pretty much as bad as each other.

I don't think Labour will fix deep-seated structural and societal issues that need a 10 year approach as a minimum. They've not covered themselves in glory running the economy at times (including the gold sales). We have an eye-wateringly high public debt and options are fairly limited given the tax burden is at its highest level since world two.

I'll reluctantly be voting Conservative (as I believe in using my vote and I don't mind Rishi Sunak) but I'd happily switch allegiance to a new party in the future. Preferably with leaders that haven't spent their lives in the Westminster bubble and have some experience in other occupations.

You don't mind someone who broke the law, and sat next to his boss in parliament while he knew that said boss was lying about the law breaking?

You don't mind someone who has announced a whole series of proposals they are scrapping but can't say who was proposing them?

You don't mind someone who devised the mindnumbingly daft eat out to spread covid scheme?

You don't mind someone who so lacks attention to detail they permitted billions of pounds of fraud whilst Chancellor?

You don't mind someone who thinks it acceptable that he pays a smaller proportion of tax on his income that teachers and nurses do?

Ok.

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 06:52

I have been thinking about the OPs question.

I dont think I intensely dislike Sunak.
Its more that I have no idea what the point of him is, he clearly has no interest in running the country, only in ruining it.

sep135 · 03/10/2023 07:00

Jgw1 as I said, I think they're all as bad as each other. Starmer also broke lockdown rules and there was some kind of cover up. I'm appalled by some of things Angela Rayner has said. Jeremy Corbyn too.

As with most others, this thread immediately descended into insulting anyone that dared to put their head above the parapet and saying they're weren't voting for Labour. We're thick, we're scum, we're racist. Just a few I've seen on recent threads.

You want to vote for Labour and I respect your reasons for doing so. But the MN narrative that Labour = good, Conservative = evil stifles any debate. I suspect the intention of many posters is to bully anyone who has a different view off the thread until it becomes a happy echo chamber.

countrygirl99 · 03/10/2023 07:05

Starmer didn't break the rules. It was investigated by the police and they didn't need to issue a FPN because the rules, as they were at that time, were not broken.
Unlike Johnson and Sunak who made the rules and but still managed to breach them. Either they were they careless, arrogant or stupid? None of which are good.

countrygirl99 · 03/10/2023 07:07

Abd if you go on many political posts you will find plenty of Conservatives are wonderful, Labour are evil posters so I don't think there is the pervasive MN narrative you so condescendingly dismiss.

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 07:20

sep135 · 03/10/2023 07:00

Jgw1 as I said, I think they're all as bad as each other. Starmer also broke lockdown rules and there was some kind of cover up. I'm appalled by some of things Angela Rayner has said. Jeremy Corbyn too.

As with most others, this thread immediately descended into insulting anyone that dared to put their head above the parapet and saying they're weren't voting for Labour. We're thick, we're scum, we're racist. Just a few I've seen on recent threads.

You want to vote for Labour and I respect your reasons for doing so. But the MN narrative that Labour = good, Conservative = evil stifles any debate. I suspect the intention of many posters is to bully anyone who has a different view off the thread until it becomes a happy echo chamber.

I would love to have a debate about the qualities of the current government, and their achievements while in office. But instead we get the tiresome But Jeremy Corbyn as if that is an argument.

If you support a party that has racist policies does that automatically mean you are racist? I don't know, we could debate that as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/02/families-should-have-more-children-to-care-for-ageing-uk-population-minister-says

There were multiple police investigations into Starmer and lockdown rules, he wasn't fined. I suggest if you have additional evidence to support your claim that he broke lockdown rules you send it to the police.

Families should have more children to care for ageing UK population, minister says

Robert Jenrick says he wants to cut care visas for migrant workers and criticises Johnson’s immigration policy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/02/families-should-have-more-children-to-care-for-ageing-uk-population-minister-says

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 07:22

sep135 · 03/10/2023 07:00

Jgw1 as I said, I think they're all as bad as each other. Starmer also broke lockdown rules and there was some kind of cover up. I'm appalled by some of things Angela Rayner has said. Jeremy Corbyn too.

As with most others, this thread immediately descended into insulting anyone that dared to put their head above the parapet and saying they're weren't voting for Labour. We're thick, we're scum, we're racist. Just a few I've seen on recent threads.

You want to vote for Labour and I respect your reasons for doing so. But the MN narrative that Labour = good, Conservative = evil stifles any debate. I suspect the intention of many posters is to bully anyone who has a different view off the thread until it becomes a happy echo chamber.

@sep135 On the basis that they are all the same as each other can you find one single example of Starmer announcing he is scrapping a policy proposal, that was never a policy proposal?

Just in the last 24 hours there have been several from Sunak's government.

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 07:25

We're thick, we're scum, we're racist

Nobody’s said anything of the sort on this thread. Although a few weeks ago I did spend an entire afternoon being accused of being racist by a Tory supporter. And the name calling here seems to be coming the other way.

The simple fact is that, reflecting the mood of the country, Tory supporters are reducing in number. I could name the handful who regularly turn up on political threads now and you’re not all bullied, you’re presented with facts.

ilovesooty · 03/10/2023 07:26

@sep135 has it escaped your notice that Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP?

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 07:27

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 07:25

We're thick, we're scum, we're racist

Nobody’s said anything of the sort on this thread. Although a few weeks ago I did spend an entire afternoon being accused of being racist by a Tory supporter. And the name calling here seems to be coming the other way.

The simple fact is that, reflecting the mood of the country, Tory supporters are reducing in number. I could name the handful who regularly turn up on political threads now and you’re not all bullied, you’re presented with facts.

Do you remember the happy time I was called a communist for posting a link to some facts?

ilovesooty · 03/10/2023 07:29

Perhaps @sep135 would care to provide details of Sunak's honesty, decency and integrity? No one else has been able to justify his political behaviour and parliamentary history.

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 07:31

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 07:27

Do you remember the happy time I was called a communist for posting a link to some facts?

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Oh yes, that was lovely.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 03/10/2023 07:31

I can't get my head around people who look at the state of the country and think voting for more of the same is a good idea. It blows my mind.

ilovesooty · 03/10/2023 07:37

MrTiddlesTheCat · 03/10/2023 07:31

I can't get my head around people who look at the state of the country and think voting for more of the same is a good idea. It blows my mind.

It's like employing tradesperson A and seeing them wreck your house, then employing them again because you heard that tradesperson B didn't do a brilliant job for one of your neighbours years ago - despite the fact that tradesperson B doesn't have any of the same workers now, and will in any case have to fix the unholy mess tradesperson
A made.

Alexandra2001 · 03/10/2023 07:53

sep135 · 03/10/2023 06:41

Honestly, I think they're pretty much as bad as each other.

I don't think Labour will fix deep-seated structural and societal issues that need a 10 year approach as a minimum. They've not covered themselves in glory running the economy at times (including the gold sales). We have an eye-wateringly high public debt and options are fairly limited given the tax burden is at its highest level since world two.

I'll reluctantly be voting Conservative (as I believe in using my vote and I don't mind Rishi Sunak) but I'd happily switch allegiance to a new party in the future. Preferably with leaders that haven't spent their lives in the Westminster bubble and have some experience in other occupations.

The money Sunak cost the country as chancellor far outstrips Browns decision on Gold and is nothing at all compared to the (up to) 43bn wasted on CV support schemes that were obtained via fraud and which Sunak has said we wont seek to get back...

On Labour, they reduced public debt between 1997 and 2008... what have the Tories done? even before CV.

The Tories have had 13 years to fix all these structural issues but all of them, every single one, has got worse.. yet you will vote for them as they put them right.....

Neither Starmer or Rayner have spent their lives in the Westminster bubble but its very hard for anyone to become a party leader unless they spend a considerable amount of time in politics/as an MP.

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 07:54

To balance things out a bit, The Tory privatisation of water companies continues to be be a rip roaring success. What a legacy.

www.bbc.com/news/business-66979271

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itsgettingweird · 03/10/2023 07:56

ilovesooty · 03/10/2023 07:26

@sep135 has it escaped your notice that Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP?

Or that Starmer has never been the PM to be as bad as the rest?

Lazy arguments. I really actually want to Tory defenders to come here and explain what the Tory's have done well. Backed with evidence.

It's not really helpful to have repeated either lies (Starmer broke LD rules and it was a cover up 🤦‍♀️🤣) or just they are all as bad as each other as if that makes what the Tory's have done and are doing ok.

Tell us. Tell us what the Tory's have done. Give us facts about how much better off we are, how our public services have improved, how inflation is at a great level and tax's at the best ever rate.

I really actually want to hear it because I'd love for things to improve.

sep135 · 03/10/2023 08:00

has it escaped your notice that Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP?

Er no (neither is Boris for that matter). I'm referring to his time as Leader of the Opposition, and being suspended for his handling of anti-semitism within the party.

Boris also behaved appallingly just for the record. As did Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell over David Kelly and the WMD report. I think Starmer is a decent man (although not a very strong leader) but Rayner's scum comments were deplorable. I'm happy to criticise Conservative ministers, but I don't think Labour ministers are beyond reproach either. That's my point.

And on that note, I'll leave you to it as MN political debates inevitably end up being the same pile on.

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IClaudine · 03/10/2023 08:10

sep135 why not stay and answer itsgettingweird's question. Tell us how our lives have improved since 2010?

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Alexandra2001 · 03/10/2023 08:13

@sep135 We ve not had labour ministers for 13 years, i m not even sure how many in Starmers shadow front bench served under Blair/Brown.. Miliband of course but who else.

Agree on Blair and WMD report, disagree on Rayner, i think how Boris (and Cameron) spoke to female MPs inc Tory ones, was far worse and Rayner did apologise.
She also said it out of passion and belief, of course silly to do so but MPs voting to keep children hungry are def not nice people.

countrygirl99 · 03/10/2023 08:18

What previous PMs/leaders have done is in many ways irrelevant. Right now our choice is Sunak, who for many years has been a member of a failing government and is currently flip flopping like a dying haddock or Starmer, who was a highly effective DPP.
Not voting Labour because of Corbyn is like giving someone directions that tell them not to start from here.