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To intensely dislike Rishi Sunak?

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IClaudine · 30/09/2023 10:03

He has no backbone, no coherent policies (u-turns a dozen times a day)and no understanding of ordinary people's lives. Plus he wears all his clothes a size too small, which really irritates me.

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 02/10/2023 07:46

jgw1 · 02/10/2023 07:38

Competent like when he paid everyone to go and eat in restaurants to spread covid?

And how much did he have to write off due to covid loan fraud because of treasury failures? £21billion wasn't it?

Badbadbunny · 02/10/2023 07:51

jgw1 · 02/10/2023 07:38

Competent like when he paid everyone to go and eat in restaurants to spread covid?

Competent like when he excluded 3 million self employed and freelancers from covid support schemes?

itsgettingweird · 02/10/2023 07:53

Keep them coming. I'm being completely bowled over by his level of competence 🤣🤣

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2023 07:58

After all, there were those that thought the Tories were finished after Tony Blair’s landslide victory in 1997. They weren’t, it turned out!

They were a united sensible party comprised of adults in 1997, looking back on them I could vote for those Tories. They’re a rabble of undisciplined, infighting parodies now. They need to be out of power for their own sakes now, then they’ll either kick out the worst or implode. If they carry on like this they’re absolutely finished because if they can’t hold together in power, they certainly won’t manage it in opposition.

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 08:11

Sunak “Forgot to insure about interest rises”. What on earth does this mean? The Bank of England sets interest rate rises. Should Sunak have raided the piggy bank to pay for increased prices? Or is there an insurance policy to pay out when there’s inflation? Sadly no other government has discovered it in the past. It’s a policy to reduce inflation. We do have to reduce inflation. The bigger question is why we have it in the first place at higher levels than other countries?

Not sure the use of poor building materials was Sunak’s fault. Multi millions are given to Academy trusts for running schools but they didn’t inspect their school buildings after issues were found some years ago or plan repairs. Devolved capital spending is great until there’s a problem.

@Iwantmyoldnameback And you’ve drawn the ask a silly question slot. Of course I know politicians who have resigned on principle. However that era has probably gone.

Childcare for the vast majority have always been privately run. State funded nurseries are pretty rare where I live. Plus his wife doesn’t run the government. It’s like Cherie Blair being accused of being political. Any woman with a brain or money is attacked.

Politicians make mistakes. They all do. As for running the Conservatives at the moment: impossible. Too many MPs who don’t care about unity in the party and are divided into factions. There are some decent people but those jostling for leadership are divisive. Sunak understands economics and is bright. Penny Mordaunt? Doubt it on both fronts. As for the others? Nasty individuals. The Cons like being the nasty party for a bit. Then they realise it’s unattractive as Teresa May told them some years ago. As the quality of MPs is low it’s difficult to see where they turn for robust leadership and quality of ideas.

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2023 08:14

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 08:11

Sunak “Forgot to insure about interest rises”. What on earth does this mean? The Bank of England sets interest rate rises. Should Sunak have raided the piggy bank to pay for increased prices? Or is there an insurance policy to pay out when there’s inflation? Sadly no other government has discovered it in the past. It’s a policy to reduce inflation. We do have to reduce inflation. The bigger question is why we have it in the first place at higher levels than other countries?

Not sure the use of poor building materials was Sunak’s fault. Multi millions are given to Academy trusts for running schools but they didn’t inspect their school buildings after issues were found some years ago or plan repairs. Devolved capital spending is great until there’s a problem.

@Iwantmyoldnameback And you’ve drawn the ask a silly question slot. Of course I know politicians who have resigned on principle. However that era has probably gone.

Childcare for the vast majority have always been privately run. State funded nurseries are pretty rare where I live. Plus his wife doesn’t run the government. It’s like Cherie Blair being accused of being political. Any woman with a brain or money is attacked.

Politicians make mistakes. They all do. As for running the Conservatives at the moment: impossible. Too many MPs who don’t care about unity in the party and are divided into factions. There are some decent people but those jostling for leadership are divisive. Sunak understands economics and is bright. Penny Mordaunt? Doubt it on both fronts. As for the others? Nasty individuals. The Cons like being the nasty party for a bit. Then they realise it’s unattractive as Teresa May told them some years ago. As the quality of MPs is low it’s difficult to see where they turn for robust leadership and quality of ideas.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-think-tank-says-sunak-has-cost-taxpayers-11-billion-pounds-rate-hit-2022-06-10/

British Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak leaves Millbank Studios after a media interview in London, Britain, May 27, 2022. REUTERS/John Sibley

UK think-tank says Sunak has cost taxpayers 11 billion pounds on rate hit

A think-tank has estimated that British taxpayers are facing an 11-billion-pound ($13.7 billion) hit after finance minister Rishi Sunak failed to heed its advice on how to manage the public finances against the cost of rising interest rates.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-think-tank-says-sunak-has-cost-taxpayers-11-billion-pounds-rate-hit-2022-06-10/

Notonthestairs · 02/10/2023 08:15

There you go Tizz -

Rishi Sunak has been accused of losing taxpayers £11billion of taxpayers' money failing to insure the UK's debt mountain against interest rate hikes.
A respected think-tank has highlighted the massive costs of not taking out protection on nearly £900billion of funds 'printed' by the Bank of England to boost the economy.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10903181/amp/Rishi-Sunak-lost-UK-11BILLION-failing-insure-huge-debt-stocks.html

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2023 08:20

Snap @Notonthestairs 😉

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2023 08:22

So much for “a lack of knowledge of politics and certainly political history.”

Notonthestairs · 02/10/2023 08:25

Yes I was a bit surprised that had fallen under the radar.

IClaudine · 02/10/2023 08:36

Hope that plate isn't too warm for your arse @TizerorFizz 🤭

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Alexandra2001 · 02/10/2023 08:53

@TizerorFizz Sunak understands economics and is bright

You sure about this...?

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 09:07

@IClaudine And you have something to say about politics? Or do you just hurl insults? Child.

Notonthestairs · 02/10/2023 09:12

"I read lots of posts where there’s clearly a lack of knowledge of politics and certainly political history. Don’t shoot the messenger!"
Ahem.

IClaudine · 02/10/2023 09:12

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 09:07

@IClaudine And you have something to say about politics? Or do you just hurl insults? Child.

Well as I started this thread and have contributed to it it, yes I do. I haven't hurled any insults at anyone (if you think I have, do report). You have just insulted me, though.

You came on to this thread and began patronising us. So, yes, I did take a bit of childish pleasure in seeing ,@Notonthestairs and @blossomtoes demonstrate their superior political knowledge.

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TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 09:13

@Alexandra2001 Yes. I think academically he’s bright. I think like many politicians he’s a party man so politics is part of his mix. Don’t we want bright people running the country? It’s a decent starting point and Starmer is bright too. He’s had a great career although I’m not sure he’s a great thinker! He has also had to spend time sorting out the Labour Party from the grip of momentum. It happens to both parties and who gets to grips with unelectable rabble matters. The Conservatives pushed Brexit. Labour has avoided that turmoil. There will be other internal issues lurking though. There always are.

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 09:18

Why is having a different opinion and expressing it through examples patronising? Are you just wanting posters to agree with you on the cut of Sunak’s suits? It is childish. As is your comment to me but sadly shows the level of political debate in this country. It’s also a reason why we vote based on three word slogans. There is the argument we get the politicians we deserve. Note to all: get a suit that @IClaudine approves of. And the women? What about them?

Notonthestairs · 02/10/2023 09:21

Failing to insure against debt wasn't a difference in opinion. Shame you won't acknowledge that.

AgentJohnson · 02/10/2023 09:21

I think part of the problem is he didn't get to be Chancellor and then PM through hard work, political experience and talent.

Not unlike his predecessor’s then. 🙄

He was the best of a very bad bunch, a placeholder ready for sacrifice at any given moment. The conference will be the moment when the various factions will come for him.

The Tory party is diseased and it never ceases to surprise me how many people are prepared to vote against their own interests.

IClaudine · 02/10/2023 09:24

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 09:18

Why is having a different opinion and expressing it through examples patronising? Are you just wanting posters to agree with you on the cut of Sunak’s suits? It is childish. As is your comment to me but sadly shows the level of political debate in this country. It’s also a reason why we vote based on three word slogans. There is the argument we get the politicians we deserve. Note to all: get a suit that @IClaudine approves of. And the women? What about them?

Read Notonthestairs' post at 9:12, which quotes you patronising other posters.

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DuncinToffee · 02/10/2023 09:30

Competent

Here he was being questioned by Laura Kuenssberg

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1708478538980934126?t=OaxDUsId0Zv9chW0UK-qWA&s=19

Rishi Sunak claiming that inflation is a tax is just gibberish.

The purpose of taxes are to raise government funds for investment. Inflation doesn’t raise a penny for government expenditure.

"tax is a compulsory financial charge or some other type of levy imposed on a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a governmental organization in order to collectively fund government spending, public expenditures, or as a way to regulate and reduce negative externalities"

whereas inflation "is a general increase of the prices... When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation corresponds to a reduction in the purchasing power of money."

Passepartoute · 02/10/2023 09:31

TizerorFizz · 02/10/2023 00:51

@Passepartoute It’s the House of Commons. It’s show time. Didn’t you ever notice Labour politicians doing exactly the same? It’s a bear pit and you really must not take behaviour there as being agreement loyalty. It’s loyalty for that moment and lent for a bit to make a show against the opposition. It’s always been the case!

Politicians change their minds all
the time. It might even be important that they listen to constituents and reconsider. More likely that they take on board focus group outcomes but politics isn’t static. It’s often pragmatic and opportunist for others. Backing the right horse for leadership. Then getting on another one that looks like the winner.

Winston Churchill couldn’t even decide which party to belong to and crossed the floor twice! So he stood on a whole manifesto, twice, he didn’t agree with. As Jeremy Corbin did in the Blair years. Two utterly lying scoundrels obviously. Lying just isn’t the right word in politics. It’s having a difference of views when it suits you!

No, I haven't noticed Labour politicians baying support for a colleague they personally know is lying about breaking laws they promulgated, particularly in circumstances where those who obeyed those laws were prevented from being with dying loved ones. That wasn't an issue of changing their minds, it was an issue of believing that they were too important for the law to apply to them let alone to have to tell the truth.

The concept that a. politician doesn't ever lie, s/he justas a difference of views, is obviously a very convenient one for supporters of the current Tory party, but it's blatant nonsense.

Passepartoute · 02/10/2023 09:38

Not sure the use of poor building materials was Sunak’s fault. Multi millions are given to Academy trusts for running schools but they didn’t inspect their school buildings after issues were found some years ago or plan repairs. Devolved capital spending is great until there’s a problem.

The continued failure to deal with them is the fault of this government, particularly the failure to take action about a known problem till just before the new school year started. You seem to be unaware that not all state funded schools are academies.

Passepartoute · 02/10/2023 09:40

Childcare for the vast majority have always been privately run. State funded nurseries are pretty rare where I live. Plus his wife doesn’t run the government. It’s like Cherie Blair being accused of being political. Any woman with a brain or money is attacked.

@TizerorFizz, don't be deliberately disingenuous. You know perfectly well that the issue is that failed to declare an obvious pecuniary interest. Your failure to address that is effectively an admission of Sunak's incompetence, so thanks for that.

AdamRyan · 02/10/2023 09:51

Passepartoute · 02/10/2023 09:38

Not sure the use of poor building materials was Sunak’s fault. Multi millions are given to Academy trusts for running schools but they didn’t inspect their school buildings after issues were found some years ago or plan repairs. Devolved capital spending is great until there’s a problem.

The continued failure to deal with them is the fault of this government, particularly the failure to take action about a known problem till just before the new school year started. You seem to be unaware that not all state funded schools are academies.

Come on tizz. You know the last Labour government had invested strategically to update every school in the country to address this issue, you also know Gove cancelled that programme in 2010 under austerity
https://www.building.co.uk/news/raac-schools-had-been-due-for-renewal-under-scrapped-labour-plan/5125007.article

You also know that the treasury only funded 25% of the schools asking for help with this issue, when Sunak was chancellor.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/raac-rishi-sunak-english-treasury-department-for-education-b1104601.html

The RAAC scandal is entirely conservative chickens coming home to roost and as the Conservative leader and Prime Minister, of course this is Sunaks issue to deal with.

Screenshot 2023-09-06 112026

RAAC schools had been due for renewal under scrapped Labour plan

Plans to renew 13 schools hit by RAAC crisis were shelved in 2010

https://www.building.co.uk/news/raac-schools-had-been-due-for-renewal-under-scrapped-labour-plan/5125007.article

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