To intensely dislike Rishi Sunak?

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He has no backbone, no coherent policies (u-turns a dozen times a day)and no understanding of ordinary people's lives. Plus he wears all his clothes a size too small, which really irritates me.

I think your contention is that Sunak knew that Johnson was lying about the illegal parties they had both attended, but Sunak did not say anything publically about Johnson's lies.
What does that say about Sunak's honesty and integrity?

Except he was unable to say who in the government had proposed them or when.

Are tool makers not allowed to be aspirational or start their own business. Better tell my own DH to get back to being a wage slave.

Short answer?
No.

Long answer?
No. There has always been divisions in the Conservative Party but they were always "The Self Preservation Society". Protect the party and the party will protect you. That's no longer the case since David Cameron decided to get the electorate involved with Brexit.🤦‍♀️

The Conservative Party is now definitely 2, possibly 3, distinct groups where consensus is no longer able to be achieved or even desirable for most MPs.

The Conservative Party Conference has just opened and kicking it off? 30 odd Tory MPs outright refusing to back the PM. And others saying that they oppose Home Office policies. Nadine Dorries won't even let them see an advance copy of her new book, such is the lack of party discipline.

Everything ends sometime and it looks like the Tory Party dominance of UK politics is over now.

Opinions, not facts.

I do wonder if the continuing psychodrama that is the Conservative Party is ever going to end other than a terrible defeat. The splits were already there. Once Johnson had refashioned the party this kind of implosion seemed guaranteed; southern City folk, tradies and taxidrivers, former Labour in the North, farmers in the country, the old noblesse oblige set and a newly diverse aspirant class represented on the front bench. How you would keep these groups together was always a massive challenge. What they seem to have done is piss them all off one by one.

It will be interesting to see what survives the next election. My guess is that it will be very right wing and economically illiterate like Truss.

Welcome to Manchester

What he artistically left out was the fact that taxes on meat and flying had already repeatedly been ruled out by the Tories. So he was still promising not to do something that they had no intention whatsoever of doing anyway. It's essentially another example of the now-traditional Tory practice of promising non-existent benefits like new hospitals.

And a prominent part of his social media feeds. Plus he's seeking to defend them in interviews to the point of fantasy - I caught one when he was steadfastly refusing to admit that nowhere has a blanket 20 mph speed limit.

How many times are you going to post irrelevant whataboutery about Starmer on a thread about Sunak?

The trouble is that, for too much of that time, he wasn't just sitting there - he was actively demonstrating support by nodding, braying, cheering etc.

Oh please tell

For now, maybe, if they do lose the next election (which I very much hope they will, personally!).
But they’ll regroup and come back, especially if things go pear shaped for Labour in government.

After all, there were those that thought the Tories were finished after Tony Blair’s landslide victory in 1997. They weren’t, it turned out!

@Passepartoute It’s the House of Commons. It’s show time. Didn’t you ever notice Labour politicians doing exactly the same? It’s a bear pit and you really must not take behaviour there as being agreement loyalty. It’s loyalty for that moment and lent for a bit to make a show against the opposition. It’s always been the case!

Politicians change their minds all
the time. It might even be important that they listen to constituents and reconsider. More likely that they take on board focus group outcomes but politics isn’t static. It’s often pragmatic and opportunist for others. Backing the right horse for leadership. Then getting on another one that looks like the winner.

Winston Churchill couldn’t even decide which party to belong to and crossed the floor twice! So he stood on a whole manifesto, twice, he didn’t agree with. As Jeremy Corbin did in the Blair years. Two utterly lying scoundrels obviously. Lying just isn’t the right word in politics. It’s having a difference of views when it suits you!

Ah have you drawn the night shift now Clav has gone to bed.

Actually if you read your political history you will see MPs used to have integrity and standards and would even resign for mistakes made by their predecessors. I doubt you can name any examples of that?

I can’t dislike him intensely or even at all tbh. I see little difference between him and starmer. At least Boris and Liz Truss are gone and Rishi is competent and relatively sensible.

Not just for now. They can't regroup. Boris Johnson exploited every division in the Conservative Party and in doing so, destroyed it. What does the Tory Party stand for any more?

They are not the party of low taxes.
They are not the party of law and order.
They are not the party for business and economy.
They are not the party of home owners.
They are not the party to control immigration.
They are not the party of Fiscal Responsibility.
They conserve nothing.
They're unstable as fuck.

There is no point to them. They're a mess. There is no loyalty. They are a party in existential crisis.

Boris Johnson took advantage of David Cameron's weakness for his own ends and in doing so destroyed the Tory party the country and faith in government, democracy and the rule of law.

@TizerorFizz who do you think is capable of leading the Tory party right now?

Did you miss the school building fiasco that Sunak has contributed significantly to?
Is it sensible to spend the summer parading about "stop the boats" and then the next month scrap that in favour of more migration and climate change?

Yes soooo competent and sensible that we have now a strike of junior Doc's and Consultants, no talks for over 100 days and hospitals paying up to £7000.00 per shift to get cover....

You can argue the rights n wrongs of each sides case but for the Govt to refuse to talk??? not sensible.

But why should Sunak care, he'll never set foot in a NHS hospital unless its for a photo op....

I can't stand the Tory government in general.

Competent like that time he 'forgot' to insure against interest rises costing taxpayers £11billion?

Or competent like the time he announced policy that massively favoured private childcare providers but 'forgot' to declare that his wife had shares in one of the biggest providers?

Or competent like the time he 'forgot' to put his seatbelt on? Then put out a statement agreeing to comply with the FPN, as if it's optional?

Competent like when he paid everyone to go and eat in restaurants to spread covid?