To intensely dislike Rishi Sunak?

[IClaudine]

He has no backbone, no coherent policies (u-turns a dozen times a day)and no understanding of ordinary people's lives. Plus he wears all his clothes a size too small, which really irritates me.

Re: property taxes. I would be in favour of some sort of version of CGT applied to the sale of main residences.

jgw1
Here is a fact that is indisuputable

Really?

Well, I'm not going to take your word for anything - you categorically told me that no one close to the government had proposed a meat tax:

Consumers face higher prices on meat, cheese and gas heating under plans being drawn up by Boris Johnson for new carbon taxes and charges.
The prime minister has ordered every department to produce a “price” for carbon emissions across all areas of the economy as part of a drive to achieve his net-zero carbon pledge.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-carbon-taxtes-meat-cheese-and-gas-heating-prices-to-rise-wxz5vd6k2

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/10/29/meat-taxes-will-make-british-farmers-go-greener-says-george/

You can provide as many links as you like, the one you need is the Prime Ministers interview on the Today programme, where he was singularly unable to say who had proposed a meat tax, or indeed evidence for how many of the other fantasies he was scrapping were policies.

Notonthestairs
Sunak was the first PM in a decade to skip the UN meeting

Perhaps he saw the guest list;

the summit has failed to attract the leaders of the two biggest carbon emitters, with neither Joe Biden, the US president, nor Xi Jinping, president of China, attending. Rishi Sunak, the British prime minister, and Emmanuel Macron, the French president, are also missing the gathering.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/20/un-climate-summit-polluting-countries-leaders-skipping

You all need to understand collective responsibility. They all agree to a policy (manifesto) to get elected - until they don’t because it suits them not to. It’s always been the same. It’s not lying exactly, it’s how parties work. It’s how people work within parties.

We generally dislike disunity. Look at Blair and Kinnock and Hatton/Militant. ERG and the Cons. Parties often come together to win power (and often kick out the rebels first) but pretty soon after the gloves are off unless the enforcers really work overtime like Alistair Campbell and Bernard Ingham. Parties self destruct. Not because MPs lie but because they simply do not agree on the way forward.

My other link was Aaron Bastani, co-founder of Novara Media - he is odious as well?

You all need to understand collective responsibility.

What makes you think we don’t? Grandmothers and eggs spring to mind.

Responsibility is not something I have associated with the government for a long time, whether collective or otherwise.

@TizerorFizz was Sunak showing responsibility, honesty and integrity when he was sat next to Johnson in parliament as Johnson was lying about parties that they had both attended?

Well he's toast really. All you are doing here is stirring the ashes of collective responsibility. What Sunak actually has is a cabinet of colleagues all preening for when he's gone

My money's on Gove. The sane person's choice.

He’ll have to crawl over Braverman, Badenoch and Mordaunt first.

Slime over please.

jgw1
evidence for how many of the other fantasies he was scrapping were policies

He quite clearly says proposals in his speech - not policies;

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-on-net-zero-20-september-2023

Not a fan of him tbh or Ash Sarkar. I am in agreement with some or even a lot of what they say, but I find them both a bit self serving tbh and, as with little Owen Jones, more concerned with media profiles than true, hands-on activism.

So not only was he not announcing with great fanfare the scrapping of government policies, he was announcing the scrapping of proposals that he claims that someone else was making, but wasn't able to say who that person was.

Why is the Prime Minister wasting everyone's time announcing he is scrapping things that are not government policy?

Why doesn't he spend the time leading the country instead?

TizerorFizz is starting to remind me of another poster who loftily lectures the rest of us as though we don't understand anything about politics...

jgw1
Why is the Prime Minister wasting everyone's time announcing he is scrapping things that are not government policy?

They form a small part of his speech.

I think you are saying it is alright to be talking nonsense for a small part of a speech?
Is that the same as we were being told that it is ok to break the law for a short period of time as well?

Why is the Prime Minister wasting everyone's time announcing he is scrapping things that are not government policy

How many times is Keir Starmer going to tell us that his father was a toolmaker?

(self-employed precision engineer)

Anyway - I'm signing off for the night - have fun.

Rishi condoned all of Boris's lies, not one person voted for him to be PM, not even Tory party members.

That thought had occurred to me too.

Still not found any evidence of Sunak's famous integrity then?

I read lots of posts where there’s clearly a lack of knowledge of politics and certainly political history. Don’t shoot the messenger!

@jgw1 Sitting next to the PM is where the Chancellor sits. It doesn’t signify agreement. If that was the case, the chamber would be empty on many occasions.

On a forum of this size and diversity that’s inevitable. Maybe keep the message to yourself? Nobody likes being patronised.