To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

ULEZ affects London and nowhere else. London is majority labour. And personally I don't mind driving 20mph if it means I avoid killing a child or anyone for that matter.

I didn't say we were currently in a recession. There was a reason for that. I said incumbent governments do badly when the economy has tanked during their tenure, which is clearly a thing that has happened. It is your fault you're unable to understand the difference between those two things.

By all means those of you who would like the Tories to win another term can tell us all that since the economy is now growing again, the issues we've faced and continue to face somehow aren't relevant any more. Inflation, spiralling food costs, mortgages, yep it's all good now because the definition of recession isn't met. The polls tell you exactly how well that's going down.

As does the fact that Sunak is trying to position himself as defender of motorists, actually. If he could run on the economy instead, he'd be doing that.

That’s not fair. I don’t recognise the same style of writing tbh but if someone has n/c that’s up to them

But if you are interested enough to ask maybe expect an answer

Just a mere bunch of twats at 34 million drivers in the U.K. and over three quarters of the country need or have access to a car.

Stupid bloody twats for simply wanting to drive to work, deliver your tat etc.

You are just deluded if you think motorists of all kinds are just going to give up their right to earn a living.

No, can you read?

You presumably get that there's a difference between what you think and the views of the electorate, though? And if you have a look at recent polling, the Tories are doing extremely badly despite us not being in recession. You don't have to like that to understand that it's happening.

Anyone who think the tories are in power after another GE are kidding themselves. It'll probably be closer than many would hope but they are, thankfully, fucking gone.

They have lost a mountain of support over the last few years, principally due to them being shit.

Personally I cannot wait to see the back of my Tory MP, he is a useless, slimy twat.

Even though Truss and co trashed the economy?

@Lastchancechica drivers don't have a right to drive at a certain speed. Doesn't mean they have to stop driving.

I live in an area where everything is 20mph. Oddly it hasn't affected my life.

Wrong, Ulez has spread far beyond London - it’s now being introduced to many Labour cities and areas and into areas around London.

Labour intend to roll it out countywide therefore killing our economies, local economies stone dead, not to mention the impact on productivity.

I am very anti-Tory and pro-ULEZ and lower speed limits, but I'd like to ask people who think at least UK public transport in London and other big cities is good, what is their standard for "good". I found that public transport in Britain is unfailingly awful everywhere, including London. Although I appreciate big cities are "least bad", it's still pretty bad.

Ticket prices are huge and unjustified, the vehicles are uncomfortable and in poor condition, service is unreliable. I've lived in several countries, and only in Britain it's ever happened to me to be on a bus, and then for the bus to suddenly "terminate" in the middle of nowhere with all passengers kicked off immediately to wait for the next one. This would result in riots in places with a less placid population! Then I used to commute by train to Central London from the suburbs, there were faults, cancellations, delays on a weekly basis per minimum, which meant at least once a week I would get home after 8-9 pm and miss dinner. When a train service finally materialised, it was so crowded I would feel ill, while random blokes in the crowd felt me up furtively and pinched my bum.

I drive everywhere now, I am much happier, and even if there's traffic I am at least sat comfortably in my own car, nobody encroaching on my personal space. You will pry my car from my cold dead hands.

It’s been spelled out repeatedly. Some people just don’t want to hear it. They prefer to have those as reasons to vote in a way they know is harming other people but believe is ok for them.

I don’t think I do diverge actually

It was a bad time in 2008 enough to get Labour out.

People generally suffer in recessions. Job loss and house loss. I’m surprised that anyone cannot see that tbh

The needless fines and points etc will soon be felt. Charging by the mile - ULEZ it’s just a new Labour tax.

The thing is if you all get what you want and Starmer is PM, you'll all have something else to bitch about. He will hammer the middle classes with additional tax so you'll all be on here moaning about him next.

It is quite interesting how much some of our more right leaning posters are struggling with the concept that incumbent administrations tend to get blamed by the electorate for ongoing shitshows like the cost of living crisis, even when it isn't all their fault. This is not even a politically partisan point, and left wing incumbent governments aren't immune from it either. There are plenty of Conservatives who have clearly understood which way the wind is blowing. Whether one as an individual thinks this is fair, optimum or whatever is quite beside the point. And egotistical, really. You don't refute a point about how millions of people are going to vote by saying well akshully this is what I think should happen.

Oh yes when ULEZ hit my part of London a couple of years ago, the whole area died. Everyone has to drive at 20mph and that means everyone has lost their jobs

@TrashedSofa were you in a particularly recession proof sector last time? Or maybe younger than I was at the time

Please do spell it out.

We are all waiting with bated breath.

@Lastchancechica introduced by Boris Johnson of course. That labour tax

Ha ha. Well London has a function so transport system., most places don’t.

The Tories are doing appallingly in the polls. I linked to some upthread. They're doing this despite the fact that we are not currently in recession. So that does still pose the question, what was the relevance of these predictions in response to a post about what the electorate think? You're certainly allowed to think people should take a different approach, but that's a separate point.

Just for central London only - NOT for the whole country. That’s a Labour ambition.

We. Will. See.

You asked where did they come from. I linked in response to that you can do the reading,