To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

Rishi is certainly playing to a particular crowd with all this, and I wonder if he's being very stupid or very clever.

Despite all the noise, I gather that things like the 20mph limit in Wales, LTNs in cities, and even ULEZ- which wasn't handled very well - are actually quite popular in the polling. It's just that their opponents are so VERY VERY FUCKING LOUD.

Is it that his analysis shows that this Daily Mail- inspired rhetoric could swing that handful of voters that most elections really stand and fall on?

Or is he making a spectacularly stupid move? He's already damaged the credibility of Britain as a serious contender in fighting climate change, and I can't see this nonsense going down well in the increasingly wobbly Blue Wall SE constituencies.

Uxbridge is the canary in the coal mine.

ULEZ, women’s rights, anti business, anti motorist, anti women, zombie style opposition with no policies beyond reopening the brexit wars and Starmer the weakest, indecisive uninspiring leader in Labour history is why!

Labour are serving the next election to Sunak.

They won’t be when they start getting fines and speed awareness’s courses and points on their licenses imposed on them for doing 26 miles per hour popping to the shops!
my mil lives in small village and has been caught 3 times in last 18 months. She is most careful driver in the world but it’s very hard to stay under 20 on an open road with almost no traffic!

The SE crowd are extremely unimpressed with ULEZ I can tell you.

You need to stop getting your information from SM. Starmer wasn't director of public prosecutions until the end of 2008. Six years after the original report by a labour minister was released. The local police and reviewing lawyer for the CPS made the decision to not prosecute Saville. Saville's protection came from Thatcher and Prince Charles. The police were never asked why they treated the allegations with extreme caution. Councils also went bankrupt under conservative control. I'd like to know how women's rights are being protected under this government. Child poverty is on the rise, men are allowed into women's spaces, the police and fire service are a misogynistic mess, their isn't adequate affordable housing, especially for women fleeing DV or single people and once the human rights act goes, things will only get worse.

Lots of Scotland is ‘pro-car’ through no choice of their own due to distance, rurality, and lack of public transport. I still don’t see us voting Tory.

I really wish the av IQ was more than 100.

Under Sunak, the public purse has been defrauded by more than £21b!!!!!!

Who is voting for that? I def am not.

Get them out.

Still 21 points ahead in the polls, if that’s serving victory to the other side, it’s spectacularly incompetent.

Ditching climate change policy might work with traditional Tory voters but it certainly won’t cut any ice with the younger generation of who will spend the rest of their lives paying the price. Uxbridge was an outlier, it’s the only Tory by election win in years and it was by a tiny margin. Sunak’s fallen for knee jerk politics again.

That’s rubbish. Are you that desperate?

Polls get it wrong all of the time. This is going to shock some of you, whom are praying that they are correct for the first time.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/197302/fraud-and-corruption-against-government-large-gaps-remain-in-governments-understanding-of-risks/#:~:text=This%20implies%20that%2C%20in%20addition,knowing%20exactly%20where%20or%20how.

Jimmy Saville will be the final straw when the moment comes.

The Tories will get in next election. I know the assumption is that they won’t but they are the only party prepared to say what a whole swathe of people think but daren’t say.

Quite.

@x2boys personally I don’t care how you vote but if you think the tories are doing a good job up here, that’s up to you. And the suggestion that we cannot criticise the Conservatives’ achievements (or lack of) because you might feel victimised is a bit ridiculous and gets us nowhere.

Starmer wanted Khan to tone down ULEZ as he thought it would hit him too

So both major parties have reacted to Uxbridge

Khan said no though

What were the polls saying before Brexit interestingly? The last GE and the one before that? Have they been historically accurate?

@RudsyFarmer thought farmers had been absolutely buggered by Brexit ?

Miliband was polling that was out

Well of course he did. Made Labour look bad 🤦🏻‍♀️ All Starmer cares about is trying to look moderate to not put anybody off.

I agree with @user1497207191. Public transport is just not reliable. Trains are sometimes a few minutes late which might mean you miss an important appointment and quite often change platforms which means those with limited mobility can't get to in time. Buses are far worse than trains for being unreliable. My son used to catch a bus to school. He was at the bus stop on time but often the bus was just already full so just drove straight past without stopping. I complained at the bus station as it happened about once or twice every week. His school complained to the bus station too, as it affected several DCs. Nothing improved. Unless you live in London or a major city where public transport is better most people need a car to get to work. Also if DH drives to his office it costs about £6 in fuel and £6 parking. If he goes on a train it costs him £14.65 a day and he has to change trains and wait 15 minutes for the second train which is a computer train and crammed to the rafters, and pay a further £8 to park at the train station and he still has a 20 minute walk into his office at other end which is fine unless it's pouring down with rain or in the winter snowing.

They will win because there is no reasonable alternative. Starmer is awful.

Lastchancechica Apologies, I can't link on my phone, but Googling ULEZ polls suggests that fors and againsts are pretty much level pegging. I imagine that those for will rise slightly as the artificially stoked culture war subsides a bit. I can't believe Rishi's relying on that kind of shit to win him the election- surely he should be chucking everyone a few meaty bones on the cost of living crisis?

I also can't believe that reducing a majority of, what, 6000? down to 400- odd is being spun as some kind of victory for any policy or party 🙄

@RudsyFarmer do you think the tories have done a good job because that’s the crux of the matter not stupid culture wars. Yes immigration needs sorting but the Tories haven’t sorted it in 13 years, that’s the issue, so why you’re so supportive of them god only knows,

I actually think the conservatives have done a good job. We have been through years of pandemics, a war in Ukraine, a COL crisis and brexit was eventually agreed ( and made no difference to most peoples lives negatively) I hope they will get a chance to work on the huge deals in the pacific and India and get the opportunity to put growth first. Everything else will spring from new growth and investment.

I like their pro women stance and not giving in to trans pressure. I love the idea we have a PM with Indian heritage too.