To think this, is how the Tories could win?

[madamreign]

Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

In truth, I have been surprised even taken aback how seriously the conservatives now treat women rights. They have a well supported group of young female conservatives working their way up the party - mentored by other women and their voices and opinion carry a great deal of weight even at the most senior levels. I think it’s these voices we can hear that support our right to protect our spaces.

You may not appreciate just how far the conservative party has modernised given your hatred of them, but the truth is the moving faster on protecting women and girls than any other party.

https://www.women2win.com/

Like everyone here I am a mere pawn in a game with 8 billion players. Everything I say may be wrong.

China needs us. It really does. Chinese wealth is built upon products being a component in everything we buy. If western capitalism collapsed tomorrow China would reverse 170 years along with the rest of us.

The alignment you talk about is interesting and we will hear much of it over the next 20-30 years, but I am not sure it is a guaranteed success. There is much critical mass in the US that should never be underestimated, particularly when it comes to free thinking.

https://conservativewomen.uk/

I’m looking for legislative change, which has been kicked off and in process. Very early stages so may be ready to vote on at next GE

If neither party put legislative change forward we won’t be an outlier against the many western countries who also have embraced gender ideology. Women can thank the 2004 GRA for our incarnation of legal sex certificate.

We have much to thank conservative women for, they have played a big part in our political history.

Labour have a lot to do to catch up.

A starting point might be to appoint a female leader for instance.

You’ll be looking for a very long time. It’s virtually impossible to remove rights from people who have had them for 20 years. Self ID - a Tory initiative - is the issue.

So they haven't done anything really in the last 13 years but might do something in the near future?

Not the case

The ECHR have said go ahead with definition of sex switching to biological sex

It’s not removing rights, hence they’re ok, it is the only path out of this mess.

We don’t have self ID, yet.

We have a process Labour would like to make easier

Would you say gender ideology was a big factor in 2019 GE? I care a lot and it’s only really surfaced in last few years

For a long time the public didn’t really think much on it, and then we had events with males showing what was at stake for women

We had Isla Bryson which was very recent and hit Sturgeon politically

No other country that has embraced gender ideology has reversed, if people look outside the U.K. they will notice the trend.

We could be an outlier with biological sex but it won’t be easy. TRAs and invested parties are legally motivated to a huge extent

I was absolutely gutted with the last GE result. I hate the tories. I think they are going to get in again. There was so much going against them in the last GE. Photos of sick kids sleeping on hospital floors, the food banks and poverty levels. All the negatives showing the kind of person BJ was, he still got in. Because they demonised Corbyn. They will do that again. All those quotes from Labour MPs and KS saying TWAW are going to bite them on the arse, majorly. Those are going to be the headlines that will sway the election again. Women's rights are at the forefront of my mind, so it hasn't sat well with me. If they continue on that thread, I won't vote Labour (but never CON)

Are you saying that the Tories have only cared about knowing what a woman is for the last 4 years?

2019 was all about the 'oven ready deal' lie

Ditto

It wasn’t an issue for people generally until recently. Mn has great posters who were probably talking about this ages ago but for many women it’s after actually seeing the problem with males becoming legally female.

Events with males such as the Isla Bryson case showed many more what was at stake.

That’s why it’s surfaced in last few years.

The actual law has been in place since 2004 though.

It’s not an issue for most people now. Certainly not enough for it to have any influence in the next election, particularly when there are so many competing priorities. If you can’t pay your rent or feed your kids, you’re really not going to care.

It surprises me people are happy about that

Gender ideology is terrible for women.

Males exert more control over female spaces and sports as time passes.

Where have people said they are happy with it?

We are just pointing out that all this has happened under the Tories whilst posters keep claiming the Tories know what a woman is.

We don’t have self ID, yet

In all but name we do, under the tories.

https://gic.nhs.uk/info-support/gender-recognition-certificate/

Once you have a GRC you will be able to obtain a replacement birth certificate with your preferred (and now new legal) gender on it. Your pensionable age will be the same as your legal gender, and all of your legal rights and responsibilities will correspond to your legally updated gender

96% of people who ask for a GRC, get one, almost 500 last year... its obviously not quite self ID but considering the success rate in getting one, near enough...

Protecting womens rights.. ok.

Personally i think its ridiculous but i also think, as Blossoms said, if you can pay the rent, i don't whether it ll be an issue for you.

Yes weird, all of what we ve seen in sports etc has happened under the Tories.... yet Labour would be worse.... how does anyone know that?

The TOries have done zilch to protect female rights, nothing at all but they are our saviours!

Happy that it’s a low priority.

I can’t see any policies from Labour that suggest funding issues will be any different.

Labour will make legal sex transition easier. Cons are going down biological sex route. I much prefer the latter. It’s the only path out.

You are the one who mentioned happy.

So what exactly are Labour’s policies?

Yep!

Yes I did. I’m aware. I was reiterating what pp sound like when they post it’s a low priority.

The Labour Party has pledged to “modernise, simplify and reform” the Gender Recognition Act in a move which will make it easier for transgender people to transition.

@StowOnTheWold

"This is why the Conservative Party desperately needs to reinvent itself if it is to retain power. It will have to redistribute wealth in order to survive. It will have to promote meritocracy within that redistribution. "

Turn into the Labour Party?

Make it easier to transtion, is that your view or has Labour said this?

Its a low priority with the electorate, poll after poll shows this.

The vast majority care more about the economy, health, roads, even the environment, its why Sunak isn't going on about removing Trans rights, he wants speed limits to stay as they are.

That they matter to some posters on MNs (or they use it to attack labour?) is not representative of the general pop.