To think this, is how the Tories could win?

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Sunak is setting out his stall as pro-car:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

This could actually swing it for him. People sink vast amounts of time and money into their cars, they're aspirational status symbols. The UK loves it's cars.

@middlenglander Yes, I will be voting Tory. They are doing a good job.

Which aspects do you think are good? Asking out of incredulity and in a spirit of wanting to learn new skills.

Sunak hasn't the Parliamentary time to change laws on things like parking fines and central Govt doesn't dictate local speed limit policy, let alone how Police enforce..

Which will presumably be part of his "please give me another chance. Please" election plan.

At least they know that women exist Duncin! A mere 51% of the vote.

Any woman that votes for Labour so her rights can be eradicated deserves everything that’s coming when she is entirely erased. How can we defend women’s rights if women don’t even exist???

I agree the conservatives are doing a good job. Especially given everything we have been through for the last five years.

I doubt very much that the Telegraph’s journalists are predominantly grammar schooled. Or even that appreciable numbers are grammar schooled.

I do respect the Guardian’s journalists’ attention to prose, but then they’re mostly privately educated.

Knowing they exist so you can throw them under the bus isn’t great. Everything that threatens women has come about under the auspices of a Tory administration which has shown no inclination whatsoever to protect women’s rights. Shooting parties know what pheasants are, doesn’t stop them killing them.

I doubt very much that the Telegraph’s journalists are predominantly grammar schooled. Or even that appreciable numbers are grammar schooled.

Whilst I agree, it would not be in the spirit of this thread to have too much accuracy. And I couldn't resist the alliteration. Besides I don't want to get reported.

Again.

I do respect the Guardian’s journalists’ attention to prose, but then they’re mostly privately educated.

Ay, there's the rub 😀

And what have the Tories done about that the last 13 years?

Would hate to know what you think a bad job would be.

But then, you don't think brexit contributed to high inflation so logic isn't your strong point, clearly.

How are rape victims being protected, or dometic abuse victims?

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Or because he wanted to try to influence China? That is an easy one isn't it?

The Tories have made such a phenomenal mess of things with the biggest mess of all being Brexit and ever growing disparity between rich and poor. I just roll my eyes at the ulez nonsense, why would anyone oppose cleaner air? Also low traffic neighbourhoods and speed limits are often sensible. It's like people loose their common sense once they get behind the wheel of a car. You're still getting where you need to go pretty quickly in a car, just calm down. So hard to say which way the election will go, but there is definitely a feeling in the air that we need a change. The voting demographic is changing too apparently millennials are the first generation not to become more conservative with age as they can't buy homes and buy into/be part of society like their parents and grandparents and those on the property ladder are still feeling (very often) financially insecure.

Just to add, I have never supported Corbyn nor his policies. But getting closer to China is not a bad thing.

And yet whilst they have been in power men have been allowed in woman's prisons.

Men have been allowed into woman's hospital wards to rape them.

Utterly insane to suggest women will be erased! Who would men then find to abuse, rape and pay lip service too?

No ...... as much as the Tories having been trying to "erase" women themselves, we are a lot more hardy than they give us credit for.

Tories have had 13 years to lay out their stall and its all bad, no Tory can ever name a public service that has improved, not one.

Public know it, Sunak knows it, he has had his time & will soon be back to live in the states again.

You think that despite doing nothing to improve the country from 2010 until 2020 after the 2008 crash (if we are allowing covid to be responsible for the rest) we should give them more chances?

Why? If they could make improvements in 10 years and have made stupid decisions for a further 3 and used circumstances as an excuse what makes you think they can do anything for another 5?

While you may be right, they neither need us, nor like us, nor even view us as a near peer.

An interesting alignment is coming into view in the world. And the countries that have been able to soft land on the moon are an elite club that may be that far ahead of the rest of us.

India didn't just put a beautifully designed, manufactured and operated landing craft on the Moons south pole for the lolz. They did it to signal to those that know that they are fully intending to take industrial advantage of the moon a soon as possible if (as a lot of science suggests) they find water there. By the way that cost them about $75 million

Mean the UK can't even build half a fucking railway for £75 billion.

The voting demographic is changing too apparently millennials are the first generation not to become more conservative with age as they can't buy homes and buy into/be part of society like their parents and grandparents and those on the property ladder are still feeling (very often) financially insecure.

This is the biggest 'elephant in the room'. I have said time and time again on this site and in elsewhere that housing is the biggest black hole we have in the UK. It dwarfs the pension crisis and our own part in the global demographic crisis because it is real and in the 'here and now'. It is in the hearts and minds of those younger workers (taxpayers) and voters and it will come home to roost. If not in this election, but increasingly the next.

This is why the Conservative Party desperately needs to reinvent itself if it is to retain power. It will have to redistribute wealth in order to survive. It will have to promote meritocracy within that redistribution.

It is unbelievably obvious.

Tories have had 13 years to lay out their stall and its all bad, no Tory can ever name a public service that has improved, not one.

If you pay attention to the news you will notice they only mention the last year. And Rish! has repeatedly refused to even acknowledge the Tories have been in power that long.

The voting demographic is changing too apparently millennials are the first generation not to become more conservative with age as they can't buy homes and buy into/be part of society like their parents and grandparents and those on the property ladder are still feeling (very often) financially insecure.

Does anyone think it was a coincidence that the Tories were toast after 18 years, when an entire generation had grown from diapers to democracy under their rule ?

Which makes you wonder just what the hell mess we’d be in right now if Labour had heen writing the policies instead 🙀

The idea that the tories give a shiny shit about women is one of thr biggest jokes of recent times.

Oh for heaven’s sake, ‘nappies’.

You wouldn’t get that past a Telegraph sub. Alliteration wouldn’t cut it.

It is obvious. It’s equally obvious that it needs the support of younger voters to survive, yet it chucks Net Zero overboard when the climate crisis is Gen Z’s biggest concern.