To be profoundly saddened by this story

[Changeditforyou]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12565699/Police-rush-scene-incident-outside-busy-Croydon-shopping-centre.html

They tell us to help our daughters to protect themselves from male violence by thinking about what they wear, how much they drink, how late to stay out, where they go…
Are we supposed to add to the list ‘not rejecting a bunch of flowers in case you get stabbed to death’. This is horrifying.

I’m so so sick of male violence. It feels everywhere and inescapable. More luck than anything that your daughter isn’t the one. This poor girl and her family.

If met officers weren't deterred from stop and search due to fear of being called racist then a lot less knives would be on the street
These knife carrying kids walk round with impunity and know even if they get caught with it then the worst they get is a slap on the wrist
Custodial sentencing for carrying knives no ifs no buts
The liberals and human rights warriors will see it never happens though as per usual

Fucking male violence. Again. That poor girl. I cannot imagine the pain her family are in.

I saw your thread title and I knew it would be about this. Beyond horrific. I've just got in from work so haven't read any of the thread....but there are no words for this! I'm heartbroken for the young girl and all who knew and loved her.

Just been reported that it wasn’t the ex girlfriend who was murdered, it was her friend who tried to intervene, so not ‘domestic abuse’, not that chopping at someone with a machete could be described as that anyway IMO.

It shouldn’t, but it makes it even worse somehow.

Disgusting little scrote probably carried that machete as matter of course to use if someone ‘disrespected’ him. I doubt he would have been packing that as a one off.

Where the actual fuck did this packing a machete culture come from? Seeing more and more attacks in the news. It’s a massive step up from a knife that you could at least try to dodge.

No but we aren't discussing the offender - who obviously went with intent

We are discussing why a high (although not as high as perceived) number of young people carry knives, I can only go on my years of experience working with young people, including those involved in CE and on the edge of it, as well as care experienced young people and those involved with youth justice - most of them carry a knife because they think everyone else does . None of them would have been helped or changed a bit if they had been locked up under 18 - although a few were.

Most kids, even those entrenched in criminal exploitation, are just scared kids - we need to address why - trust me lock up 1 gang member and there will be plenty more to step up - it changes nothing

The fact that young people carry knives is worse than adults. They lack impulse control. Sentencing needs some common sense; when you are faced with someone young carrying a knife you could conclude they are much more dangerous due to their age than say someone of 40.

Enough soap boxing - dealt with this for years and this may be the worst story I have heard a long time.

But I don't think discussing gang or knife culture is as important as discussing toxic male culture and the murder of women by men who think they own them

Why on earth do these kids think everyone is carrying knives though? Clearly the vast majority of kids are not, anywhere.

Not nessassarily absent fathers, I know of lone parent families where the DC have grown up to be good people and DC from 2 parent families that are taught that no matter what they do in life they're owed a living, equally a few lone parents that are as useless as the absent father.

I've have however seen/heard more bitter sounding females say some awful things against their DC fathers infront of their DC than I have the other way round, which no matter what their feelings is never good.

As parents, whether lone or not we're the main influences in our DC's lives for the first x amount of years from the day they're born, we're the one's that plant those first seeds in their heads and the main things you can do for any DC is spend time with them, nurturing and if you're a good person yourself showing morals will come naturally and be part of that upbringing.

Yes, male violence but we do know a machete was used. So how do we tackle the problem of violent man with machetes and knifes? If any solution is proposed is met with cries of outrage. How many more people need to die?

Did you read the Casey review?

What I read is several stabbings a day in this country. I do not give a shit about anything else but a solution to this horror.

Desperately sad time for the family and friends of this girl.

Regards knife carrying more generally, it's very worrying but I don't think custodial sentences are the answer. I wonder if posters are aware of the dire state of prisons for teenagers (and adults for that matter). Most certainly not sending rehabilitated young people back into society.

Regarding young men, I try hard to keep up communication with my teenage son and to keep him thinking. I was taken aback by the views he came home with when he started secondary school. Just casually mentioning things like my friend says isn't it funny how women can hit men and no one cares but when men hit when it's called abuse..... Or the use of words to describe confident girls or girls speaking up in class... like sassy etc. (Sassy is used to imply cheeky/opinionated). Age 11.

I've never ever heard a boy called sassy. This is where it starts.

The problem is male violence, and it is men's problem to solve. Mysogynists do not listen to women.

All men need to be calling out misogyny whenever and wherever they see it. They won't though, because they don't even notice most of it.

@MotherOfRatios

The casey review is a good part of why officers no longer can do their job and challenge these kids
For fear of being called racist

So you don't care about the impact on black people? The trauma of been over policed?

Are you going to arm women

That happens in some countries: in certain parts of the US gun ownership is routine, and one of my relatives had a gun in her bedside cabinet when she was living alone in South Africa (whose VAWG stats make ours look like something out of Enid Blyton). Let’s just say it really isn’t the answer.

It's being reported now that it wasn't the ex-gf who was stabbed, but her friend who was trying to stop a fight between the two. Heartbreaking. Poor girl.
But either way - he still had a machete on him.

Multiple studies have shown that stop and search is not effective for reducing violent crime. All it does is cause resentment which then makes areas impossible to police.

Nobody is going to engage with a police force which has proven itself to be discriminatory and dangerous. Nor would anyone trust that force to protect them. I’ve never understood how fear of being called racist will stop some people, but they have no problem with the racism itself. Not only are black people disproportionately searched, but they’re also less likely to be found of carrying anything. You are literally advocating for a policy that overall doesn’t produce the desired outcome and allows people to be roughed up and violated, even if they have done nothing wrong.

I don’t really know much about prison so can’t comment re sentences. I don’t disagree that there needs to be serious consequences but sticking delinquent teenagers in a room together seems like it might be counterproductive to their improvement.

Deeply depressing. Young men's fascination with knives and killing- and gloating when they do kill. Goodness knows what the answers are.

This is also Croydon.. a young boy murdered.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12078269/Bare-chested-taunting-victims-grieving-mother-cell.html

The older I get the more I favour just building more prisons and sticking people in them if proved guilty for knife carrying, sexual assaults and burglary. I am tired of hearing back stories and people saying yes but they do it because they have been X or Y happened to them. Crime is at epidemic levels in this country now. People say, oh its London. But it isn't, it's everywhere now. Stick them in prisons for a long time. They probably won't get rehabilitated but it would make people's lives easier and less fraught if they just locked them up and got them off the street. You hear sometimes that when some burglars are imprisoned the burglary rate drops significantly disproportionate to the numbers put away. They are prolific at thieving and sticking them in prison would give neighbourhoods respite.

I am going to get flamed for saying it. Don't care about the feral people making peoples lives a misery, just get them off the streets. It won't happen. Too many bleeding hearts will plead their case for them.

That poor girl. That dickhead killed one girl and ruined so many lives, including his own family. Waste of space.

I am not in favour of capital punishment for any crime, but if I were Home Secretary I would just build loads of prisons, increase sentencing as both a deterrent and a way of getting them out of communities.

Just casually mentioning things like my friend says isn't it funny how women can hit men and no one cares but when men hit when it's called abuse.

I think part of that attitude is because many young people are totally unaware of the massive physical differences between men and women, the 25% more muscle mass of men, denser bones etc.

It's one of the reasons they genuinely think there's no problem with men identifying as women and competing in women's sports etc. because the only difference is what's in your pants. They don't seem to wonder why women allowed men to beat, rape and murder us for so many centuries without fighting back, when that's apparently all we had to do.

And the general (deliberate?) misunderstanding about feminism and women wanting equality meaning they can all pretend that women and men are the same, is what enables these misogynists to get away with even saying shit like this. Anyone older than about 18 asking this question goes on my dodgy fucker list.

That poor girl and her family.

I do see your point.
How redeemable are some of these antisocial people?
There are so few police around now.

When I was young, White people got searched a lot {inc strip searching} in case they had 'Drugs' on them...these were middle class teenagers for the most part. Girls frequently.
1970's.

Personally, I don't care about the impact of things like stop and search on anyone, as long as it helps to keep our streets safer. I care more about the impact of knives on our childrens safety.