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To think it is actually mostly men?

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Nolpp · 26/09/2023 18:48

Maybe I didn’t get the memo in the past but in the last year or so I’ve been so bitterly disappointed by make behaviour. I look back and wonder if it was always this way but I’m only just noticing. I think part of it is I recently became a single parent and so I’ve had more dealings with men than I would usually, as I’ve had to speak to insurance companies, take car for MOT etc. Obviously I did some of these things before and I know women also work in these places but overall I am having more interaction with men.

Examples…

Driving. Whenever a car is right up behind me it is ALWAYS a man driving. I drive at the speed limit, not under, so presumably they think speed limits don’t apply to them.

I recently donated to a sponsorship for cancer research, an old school friend, quite literally not spoken in over two decades. He then messaged me to thank me for the donation and followed it up with a question about sex and positions he can do after his surgery. Why would anyone think that’s ok?

A colleague, well respected in his industry, tells me when drunk on a night out that he wishes all women conformed to the way of the 50s and stayed at home. He wasn’t joking.

In Sainsbury’s a week ago, a man grabbed my arse in a queue, I was shocked and stepped to one side, didn’t know what to do and said get the fuck away from me. I was next up for the till and the man behind the till said he does it to everyone !!! What the actual fuck? He did follow up to say they had tried to ban him from the shop. I cried in the car afterwards, it was awful.

Waiting for the baby changing unit in Mc Donnalds. A man eventually emerges, mutters sorry but he couldn’t wait, and looked sheepish. He wasn’t unwell, he was downing a Mc flurry when I came out.

Around 7 years ago I used to date someone who had recently got a job as a Judge in the family courts. He was very young to have got this job and in part it was to do with his father being a judge in the same court. Anyway one day we were talking about how money is worked out in a divorce and he said ‘it’s disgusting, women expect to be paid out after staying at home doing nothing with kids for fifteen years, so rather than getting a job of their own they steal the x husband’s pension.’ I am ashamed to say I laughed and agreed with him. I had a good job with no interest in giving it up so I felt I was compatible with this man who I now see was a bit of a monster.

I honestly feel like men make up the bulk of shit behaviour. It probably sounds dramatic but I actually feel sad about it, genuinely sad. And embarrassed that it’s taken me until this late in life to see it.

Yes, I know it’s not all men.

Rant over.

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Sayitaintso33 · 27/09/2023 19:34

As women are so great I'm surprised so many don't get on with their mothers-in-law.

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 19:35

@Sayitaintso33 Not getting on with someone fine. Raping someone, not fine.

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 19:58

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 19:06

You sound very naive.

I'm early 50's. Brought up with Brothers & a Dad. Worked with men all of my life. Have many male friends. I've been abused by one man in my life. Don't call me naive.

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:05

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 19:35

@Sayitaintso33 Not getting on with someone fine. Raping someone, not fine.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson Would you be nervous living with a Husband, teenage Son & a male dog? I feel sorry for you if you do.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:05

Lucky you. Naive to the fact that 2 women a week are murdered by a man. 98% of sexual and violent crime is committed by men. I work in 'crime'. I know who the more dangerous sex is (clue - it's not female though some are obviously). I see it daily.

Just because YOU haven't experienced it doesn't mean it's not a problem. I have a wonderful male partner and even he knows males as a sex class are a problem.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:07

@AccidentallyWesAnderson Would you be nervous living with a Husband, teenage Son & a male dog? I feel sorry for you if you do.

You are early 50's and that's the best you can do? THAT is your argument?

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:07

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:05

Lucky you. Naive to the fact that 2 women a week are murdered by a man. 98% of sexual and violent crime is committed by men. I work in 'crime'. I know who the more dangerous sex is (clue - it's not female though some are obviously). I see it daily.

Just because YOU haven't experienced it doesn't mean it's not a problem. I have a wonderful male partner and even he knows males as a sex class are a problem.

So I work with over 20 men who I get on with. I'm not going to quiver in boots every day. They are great people.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:09

So I work with over 20 men who I get on with. I'm not going to quiver in boots every day. They are great people.

Fuck me the naivety.

Datanerd · 27/09/2023 20:10

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 19:23

@Datanerd never been hit, flashed at, assaulted, raped, abandoned as a child, screamed at, had yr house smashed up, been terrorised by unsafe driving, expected to do all the unpaid emotional labour in the family/at work? never been talked down to about something you are a specialist in? really? none of these things? lucky you.

Yes maybe I am lucky. I have fantastic relationships with the men in my life and a husband who does more than his fair share in the house. I wouldn't accept anything less in a partner.
My brother in law is the kindest most genuine person I've ever met, I have a wonderful father and sons and I detest this man bashing that is acceptable on Mumsnet. Some men are abhorrent, so are some women.
The worst experiences of my life have been by women, office politics, bullying at school, nasty comments about my appearance. I don't tar all women with the same brush though, I take individuals as they come.

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 20:10

why do you think that those of us that recognise the extent of male violence are quivering? I'm not quivering in my boots. I do arrange my life so that it is safe and peaceful tho. I am civil and polite to men at work but will not allow them in my home as this tends to be where a lot of the shit happens.

Sayitaintso33 · 27/09/2023 20:12

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 19:35

@Sayitaintso33 Not getting on with someone fine. Raping someone, not fine.

Thanks for perfectly illustrating my point. Millions of women hate each other and you think that is fine.

The above is baed on the assumption you are a women. If you are a man it rather reinforces the OP's premise.

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 20:12

@Datanerd you are lucky then and I guess that is why you think that women being unpleasant is comparable.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:13

I work in crime. I have met men who have committed crimes of varying degrees and their sisters, wives, friends, mothers have absolutely no clue and deem them wonderful or when faced with what they have done refuse to believe it. I know males who I know have cheated on their wives/girlfriends and they have absolutely no clue.

Men, not all men, but as a sex class, are cunts. Talking from experience.

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 20:15

@Sayitaintso33 my point remains. not getting on with people is absolutely fine. I don't care how much anyone dislikes their mother in law. They can bitch about it on here, let off steam to mates, no one dies. I do care about male violence towards women because women do - yer know - actually die.

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:18

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:09

So I work with over 20 men who I get on with. I'm not going to quiver in boots every day. They are great people.

Fuck me the naivety.

So you wouldn't work with these lovely men?

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:21

I am friends with a Prison Guard and she's not a man hater. She's good at her job and realises not all men aren't dangerous.

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 20:22

@AccidentallyWesAnderson I would work with your lovely men but I wouldn't be surprised if I learned that one or more was not as lovely behind closed doors.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:24

@rolypolyholymoly I think you wrongly tagged me.

@PaulaZackMayo how can you be sure they are lovely men? From work? Again the naivety is breathtaking.

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:27

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:24

@rolypolyholymoly I think you wrongly tagged me.

@PaulaZackMayo how can you be sure they are lovely men? From work? Again the naivety is breathtaking.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson I'm going to say it. I couldn't live your life. You obviously couldn't live mine because at any time I could be murdered. I'm not nieve, I haven't lived a sheltered life but fuck me I couldn't live my life like you.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:30

@PaulaZackMayo no I couldn't live in a small narrow minded world like yours either. I'll go on living life realising that males, despite knowing many ones who don't treat women like shit or commit crime, as a whole, are problematic to women. I wouldn't want someone with your naivety to live in my world .

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 20:32

@PaulaZackMayo you are being so disingenuous. Wesanderson is not saying that they are walking around being terrified of being killed. They are just saying that you are naive if you think that male violence against women is not a problem. It is so endemic that in a pool of your 20 lovely colleagues, it is very likely that one or more is abusive behind closed doors. Understanding that to be true through lived experience/work experience/data/stats is very different from living in a state of fear.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:38

rolypolyholymoly · 27/09/2023 20:32

@PaulaZackMayo you are being so disingenuous. Wesanderson is not saying that they are walking around being terrified of being killed. They are just saying that you are naive if you think that male violence against women is not a problem. It is so endemic that in a pool of your 20 lovely colleagues, it is very likely that one or more is abusive behind closed doors. Understanding that to be true through lived experience/work experience/data/stats is very different from living in a state of fear.

Correct.

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:40

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:38

Correct.

Incorrect

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/09/2023 20:44

Incorrect

😂

PaulaZackMayo · 27/09/2023 20:45

I'm not going to stop having a relationship with these men because of annoying posters on Mumsnet think they are abusers.

I'm not niave. I've had an abusive boyfriend when I was 18. I've also met some fucking dick heads in my life men & women. I will do my own risk assessments thank you. Don't accuse me of being niave. I've seen a lot and experienced a lot.

Keep calling me niave. You know fuck all about my life.

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