People facing a fear of discrimination should not be able to claim refugee status apparently.

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Women fleeing countries where they could be stoned to death, treated as second class citizens. For example, women from Afghanistan.

LGBT people who live in countries where you can be arrested and face the death penalty for being LGBT.

I'm surprised that this Government allow Ukrainian refugees in. Their country has only been invaded but I guess that's their tough luck

"Speaking at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington DC, Ms Braverman is expected to say: “I think most members of the public would recognise those fleeing a real risk of death, torture, oppression or violence, as in need of protection.
“However, as case law has developed, what we have seen in practice is an interpretive shift away from ‘persecution’, in favour of something more akin to a definition of ‘discrimination’.
“And a similar shift away from a ‘well-founded fear’ toward a ‘credible’ or ‘plausible fear’.
“The practical consequence of which has been to expand the number of those who may qualify for asylum, and to lower the threshold for doing so.

“Let me be clear, there are vast swathes of the world where it is extremely difficult to be gay, or to be a woman.

“Where individuals are being persecuted, it is right that we offer sanctuary.
“But we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if in effect, simply being gay, or a woman, and fearful of discrimination in your country of origin, is sufficient to qualify for protection.”

So you have to wait until you actually get persecuted, till you get arrested, tortured etc before you can flee a country.

Oh - and apparently she has an issue with coming through safe countries?

Does she know how many refugees actually come to the UK compared to the rest of the world?

We take very few.

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/statistics

Turkey has 3 million
Germany has 2 million
1 in 5 refugees are Syrians fleeing the war there.

It simply shows how little she cares about individuals.

Possibly being at risk of discrimination and actually being discriminated against are two very different things though arnt they

All women in Afghanistan are discriminated against every day

More stats

• By the end of 2022, there were around 2.3 million South Sudanese refugees.
• As of April 2023, more than 97 percent of South Sudanese refugees are hosted in Uganda, Sudan, Ethiopia and Kenya.
• Outbreaks of violence led to 282,000 new internal displacements in 2022, increasing the total number of IDPs to 2.26 million as of April 2023.
• Refugees from South Sudan continued to constitute the largest groups of returnees, with 151,300 returning in 2022.

Syria

• Conflict in Syria reached its 12th year in 2022, over a decade.
• Syrians accounted for almost 1 in 5 refugees globally, with 6.5 million hosted in 131
• countries.
• There are 13.5 million displaced Syrians, representing more than half of Syria's total population, with 6.8 million internally displaced by late 2022.
• Over three-quarters of refugees, 77 percent, resided in neighboring countries including Türkiye (3.5 million), Lebanon (814,700) and Jordan (660,900).

This is where most refugees come from. Not from people fleeing discrimination. From people fleeing war and conflict. And most people are either internally displaced or go to neighbouring countries.

At what point do you flee a country?

If you lived in Afghanistan, would you stay and live under the conditions or get out if you could?

Yes, it's q-white the conundrum why Ukrainian refugees are allowed in but those from e.g., Afghanistan or Syria aren't....

They created the boats problem by closing down safe routes, cutting asylum and immigration processing staff and making it so that you're only allowed to claim asylum once you're physically in the country. They could solve the problem by opening up safe routes, allowing people to apply for asylum from whichever country they're in and increasing processing staff to get claims assessed and decided as quickly as possible.

At what point would people have fled Germany during the 1930s?

We owe it to the women of Afghanistan to take all of them in, if they want to come. Every last one of them.

It's not easy, but what is the alternative? Every female in Afghanistan being given refugee status? Everyone who is LGBTQ? Where does it stop? When does it stop? Sadly, we can't save everyone....

I certainly don't envy those in government making these decisions, its a no win situation.

We are an island and only have finite space and
financial resources. U.K. nationals are struggling and you’re suggesting that we continue to welcome in people from abroad to help them when there are people here struggling also, charity begins at home OP.

That isn’t to say I don’t think we should take in some refugees BTW, before people get angry. I believe we should take our fair share based on the resources that we have and can afford. Technically, the rules of asylum are that you should stop in the first safe country which people clearly aren’t doing if they’re sailing over in a dinghy. That said, happy to take some, just not as many.

Well, the obvious solution is not to take gay people or women until after they've been stoned to death or executed. That will bring the numbers right down and Suella will be soooo happy. 🙄

I'm surprised that this Government allow Ukrainian refugees in.

White people

For example, women from Afghanistan.

Brown people

LGBT people who live in countries where you can be arrested and face the death penalty for being LGBT

Gay people, often also not white.

I'm surprised that you are suprised that white people are welcomed and brown people and gay people aren't welcomed

Nope, there isn't a requirement to seek asylum in the first safe country under international law. The UK has brought in something along those lines, but a law that violates international law has no legal standing and can easily be challenged. Know your myths, people.

As for taking what we can afford - developing countries much poorer that we are take more refugees per 1000 population than we do.

No - the rules are not that you should stop in the first safe country.

Have you got a link to that rule from the International Refugee Conventions?

Have you not seen the films on TV of the thousands of young African males invading Lampedusa? They are millions more on the way all wanting a better life in Europe, are you all happy to pay for them?

That is because if you don't have much quality of life, its easier to share nothing.

Vast number of refugees take away from what the British have to share with others. I think you'll find most people don't want to end up worse off by having to give up something of theirs for the sake of refugees who are really economic migrants (referring to the small boat people)

and if the boot was on the other foot? Of course people want a better life. We see that all the time on here.

we need better solutions.

Arguably women in most countries in the world outside of Europe, Australia and North America have worse human rights than us. Are you proposing that we have an open door policy for anyone from these countries? Many hundreds of millions of women (and their children) from these countries would have a right to live and be supported here under your logic. Does that sound feasible to you?

Do you remember the people fleeing Germany before WW2?
People who could see what was coming and feared for their lives?

What would you have done with them?

If people are worried about the effects of discrimination, such as being executed, stoned - or are fleeing conflict and war in their country - what would you do with them?

Given European countries plundered African ones for generations, stole their resources, destabilised their society, broke up their tribes, changed their boundaries, stole their people we should be relieved all they want is jobs and housing quite frankly

Do you think being potentially stoned to death, being hung for being LGBT is a reason for fleeing a country?

Or would you say "Tough shit"

It's not very Christian, is it?

Okay, let's let in all the women from countries where there's more segregation between men and women than in the UK - oh wait, that's basically every single country in the whole developing world! Welcome, ladies!

It would be cruel to not let their families join them under the ECHR right to a private and family life of course, so their husbands can join them under a family reunification visa.

So that's all the heterosexual couples sorted - so all we need is one more rule for being gay. Well, for saying you're gay - most methods I can think of for proving that would be quite personally intrusive, so better take their word for it!

If you want everyone on earth who fears discrimination to have a right to asylum/refugee status in a rich western country of their choice, go ahead and campaign for a referendum so the British people can decide whether or not they want to grant the world that right. You won't, you'll rely on laws written decades ago in an entirely different world, and laws made by activist judges with zero democratic oversight. And everyone knows why.

The fact is - we don't take many refugees.

There are 108 million displaced people in the world.
35 MILLION refugees.

And most of them are in neighbouring countries.

We've taken in Ukrainians, before than Germans, Russians fleeing pogroms, French fleeing the revolution

When people only kick up a fuss about people from Asian countries or African countries you know what the real issue is.

The reality is if the war with Russia expanded and spread to another mainly white country the government would probably set up schemes to assist those refugees at the same times as making it harder for non white refugees to get here.