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People facing a fear of discrimination should not be able to claim refugee status apparently.

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cakeorwine · 26/09/2023 07:58

Women fleeing countries where they could be stoned to death, treated as second class citizens. For example, women from Afghanistan.

LGBT people who live in countries where you can be arrested and face the death penalty for being LGBT.

I'm surprised that this Government allow Ukrainian refugees in. Their country has only been invaded but I guess that's their tough luck

"Speaking at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington DC, Ms Braverman is expected to say: “I think most members of the public would recognise those fleeing a real risk of death, torture, oppression or violence, as in need of protection.
“However, as case law has developed, what we have seen in practice is an interpretive shift away from ‘persecution’, in favour of something more akin to a definition of ‘discrimination’.
“And a similar shift away from a ‘well-founded fear’ toward a ‘credible’ or ‘plausible fear’.
“The practical consequence of which has been to expand the number of those who may qualify for asylum, and to lower the threshold for doing so.

“Let me be clear, there are vast swathes of the world where it is extremely difficult to be gay, or to be a woman.

“Where individuals are being persecuted, it is right that we offer sanctuary.
“But we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if in effect, simply being gay, or a woman, and fearful of discrimination in your country of origin, is sufficient to qualify for protection.”

So you have to wait until you actually get persecuted, till you get arrested, tortured etc before you can flee a country.

Oh - and apparently she has an issue with coming through safe countries?

Does she know how many refugees actually come to the UK compared to the rest of the world?

We take very few.

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/statistics

Turkey has 3 million
Germany has 2 million
1 in 5 refugees are Syrians fleeing the war there.

Refugee Statistics | USA for UNHCR

Millions of individuals have been forcibly displaced worldwide as a result of persecution, conflict, violence or human rights violations. Learn more about the number of refugees from various regions and the countries in which they are most often resett...

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/statistics

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Fightyouforthatpie · 27/09/2023 14:44

The last two of your list.

I don’t want to derail the thread but women carrying out FGM on girls often do so because of pressure to make their girls fit with cultural norms. It was the same with Chinese footbinding and with Indian suttee. Although practices may be carried out by women ON women and girls, they are misogynistic practices which women feel compelled to carry out due to fear of reprisal/social exclusion if they don’t.

and the majority of those coming from Africa in small boats are young men which is why I referred to that group.

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