Rishi has absolutely lost it, hasn't he?

[noblegiraffe]

What with his random shite this week about scrapping a non-existent meat tax and an imaginary 7 bins, actually scrapping his own home insulation workforce that was only set up a few months ago, scrapping any useful bits of HS2 and now scrapping A-levels (which is so far removed from what is actually possible in schools right now that it's not even funny), what the fuck is he on?

He's just flailing around madly scrapping everything in case someone, somewhere might vote Tory over it.

And he was supposed to be the sensible replacement to Liz Truss.

Fightyouforthatpie
It's a bit sad really, isn't it?

You're getting a bit over excited on the other Tory bashing thread I see. Shame I haven't got much time to post today - maybe tonight.

noblegiraffe
Hence the attempts to frame Starmer as also being from a well-off background

I think Starmer is from a middle class background - no framing needed - it's perfectly acceptable to be middle class.

You've forgotten the whole donkey field saga then, Clav.

noblegiraffe
You cannot stand that the fine and outrage at Boris's behaviour doesn't transfer to Starmer

Not true at all.

I am not getting over excited at all - I do love outing Tory shills who will try to defend anything and anyone with a blue rosette - it's a right laugh. When you finally "prove" Starmer isn't working class I hope it makes you happy; I'm certainly loving your continuing efforts to flog a dead horse.

Why do you care so much what class he is/is from?

And yet two years later you're still going on about the beer and curry in a rather obsessive detail.

noblegiraffe
You've forgotten the whole donkey field saga then, Clav

The donkey field that Starmer bought from his earnings as a barrister? Sounds very middle class to me.

Why do you care?

To be honest- anyone can vote for what they like and that's democracy - I don't agree with @Clavinova - but it would be a boring world if we were all singing from the same hymn sheet. The thing about @Clavinova though is she is clearly intelligent and has thought through her views - what I don't like at all is when people spout utter bilge from a totally uninformed view and don't even try to understand why people may feel as they do.

I give you my FILs ex partner (now no longer with us) who basically didn't like the EU because she hated all Germans. Had she ever been to Germany- no, had she met Germans- no - - she was constantly going on about Polish people jumping off lorries in Kent. When I tried to explain that really wasn't the case as they could fly in quite legally on EasyJet - just as we could to Poland, she was having none of it and just got very flustered. It's ignorance that pisses me off, not opposing viewpoints.

This is all your own opinion. Who the fuck can you vote for would be a more appropriate question.

There is no ‘we’ when you’re a one policy voter, too many variables and competing priorities.

For his nurse mother who was married to his toolmaker father?

It’s a fact that KS is in no way working class now, but trying to deny his background is bizarre (and maybe slightly desperate?).

what’s different now is the security being working class can buy you.

Either way, as the tories have now abandoned levelling up I would say that beating this drum only highlights their self interests. Massively.

Either way, as the tories have now abandoned levelling up

Is it possible to abandon something that you never had any intention of doing in the first place and was frankly just a meaningless slogan?

It isn't really much different from Sunak the meat and two veg tax.

Fair point @jgw1

A refugee is someone who has to flee their country.
So in the unlikely event that people from East Anglia needed to move elsewhere in the UK they would not be refugees.

It’s not unlikely, there are already houses falling into the sea.

It's not unlikely though. Firstly as someone else mentioned, coastal erosion, and secondly predicted sea level rises.

You could look up the 1953 North Sea Flood

And for clarity, a climate refugee is a person who has been forced to leave their home as a result of the effects of climate change on their environment.

But first the government needs to find space to house prisoners

https://news.sky.com/story/convicted-criminals-could-avoid-jail-because-prisons-are-full-12982756

Within their own country they are called displaced people, I'm not sure the difference is really worth arguing about?

That's not important, we are all perfectly safe as long as the Prime Minister says he knows what a woman is.

Many years ago the prospect of Britons leaving a united Ireland came up in discussion.

There were a non zero number of participants who insisted that Norther Irish folk were most emphatically not British, so shouldn't be allowed in.

Whether it makes a difference or not to you is utterly irrelevant. It makes no difference to the fact that Johnson broke the law. No Prime Minister with any sort of thinking power or conscience, faced with a surprise and blatantly unlawful party, would have thought it a good idea to stay, nor would they have had any problem with turning around and walking away. The problem for Johnson, of course, was that he had allowed a culture to grow up at Downing Street where parties were the norm and people were allowed to think they were above the law, so of course it never occurred to him to walk away. The curry is of course equally irrelevant, as it wasn't unlawful.

What an utter mess. There is already a totally unacceptable delay before accused people are being bought to trial. If judges are being told to delay sentencing the guilty even after that, it's an admission of yet another abject failure by this government.

Mind you, there's an expensive barge currently available that could well be better used for prisoners than for its initial intended purpose.