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Rishi has absolutely lost it, hasn't he?

599 replies

noblegiraffe · 23/09/2023 19:04

What with his random shite this week about scrapping a non-existent meat tax and an imaginary 7 bins, actually scrapping his own home insulation workforce that was only set up a few months ago, scrapping any useful bits of HS2 and now scrapping A-levels (which is so far removed from what is actually possible in schools right now that it's not even funny), what the fuck is he on?

He's just flailing around madly scrapping everything in case someone, somewhere might vote Tory over it.

And he was supposed to be the sensible replacement to Liz Truss.

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Spacehopperno1 · 23/09/2023 22:36

These targets just can’t happen at the moment. I can’t understand why there isn’t a national or regional drive to implement measures. It all seems so individualistic and piecemeal. I live somewhere where I could do things with my house (but DH who works as as environmental consultant always says anything I suggest from heat pumps to solar isn’t worth it) but for most of the nearby housing stock it would be almost impossible and a huge coordination effort required with other owners for very little benefit. I used to work in a role with an element of sustainability and I know the difference legal changes make but that was a corporate level, how on earth are. “normal” people with “normal” incomes supposed to negotiate this. I haven’t a clue.

ohfourfoxache · 23/09/2023 22:36

He doesn’t WANT to get rid of oil

He has massive investments in big oil/gas companies

“Conflict of interest” doesn’t even come close

jgw1 · 23/09/2023 22:38

Spacehopperno1 · 23/09/2023 22:36

These targets just can’t happen at the moment. I can’t understand why there isn’t a national or regional drive to implement measures. It all seems so individualistic and piecemeal. I live somewhere where I could do things with my house (but DH who works as as environmental consultant always says anything I suggest from heat pumps to solar isn’t worth it) but for most of the nearby housing stock it would be almost impossible and a huge coordination effort required with other owners for very little benefit. I used to work in a role with an element of sustainability and I know the difference legal changes make but that was a corporate level, how on earth are. “normal” people with “normal” incomes supposed to negotiate this. I haven’t a clue.

The trouble is the big house builders are wedded to the way they cheaply build homes and they use some of the profits as bungs to the Tories to keep things the way they are.
Why are new homes being built without solar panels and sustainable heating?

TokyoSushi · 23/09/2023 22:40

It looks like HS2 is next on the cull list, at least north of Birmingham (whether it should be going ahead at all is another matter)

It all seems a bit Last Days of Rome, I reckon a GE (or Sunak quitting in advance of one) is closer than we think.

algasport · 23/09/2023 22:42

If only we had a decent opposition and Starmer wasn't so absolutely shit and happy to give away women's rights..
I'm politically homeless at the moment.
Who the fuck can we vote for?

jgw1 · 23/09/2023 22:44

algasport · 23/09/2023 22:42

If only we had a decent opposition and Starmer wasn't so absolutely shit and happy to give away women's rights..
I'm politically homeless at the moment.
Who the fuck can we vote for?

Is it Starmer and the Labour party who has eroded womens and mens rights for the past 13 years?

Beautiful3 · 23/09/2023 22:45

He isnt really in charge, it's all just an illusion. He is a puppet who says what he's told to say. The people behind him hold all the power.

43ontherocksporfavor · 23/09/2023 22:45

He never had it! He’s a fool.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 23/09/2023 22:47

He's a wind-up soundbite doll, clashing every fucking stupid symbol he can think of. It's desperate and embarrassing.

And anybody who thinks they shouldn't vote Labour because the Tories care more about women has been led well nd truly up the garden path imo.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 23/09/2023 22:49

He's always been weak and ineffective. Remember "eat out to help out"? He is an incredibly inexperienced politician too - he's only been an MP at all for 8 years. It is insane that he is PM. He was never up to the job but being rich and connected allowed him to fail upwards as so often happens in the Tory Party.

PermanentTemporary · 23/09/2023 22:51

If he ever had it he lost it when he reappointed Braverman. These most recent announcements do make it sound like he's really flailing though. All about Uxbridge and GB News bonkersness.

I'm happy enough to vote for Starmer, he's done a good job as LOTO and I expect him to make some rational decisions along with some I disagree with. Anything to remove this incredible bunch.

jgw1 · 23/09/2023 22:52

algasport · 23/09/2023 22:42

If only we had a decent opposition and Starmer wasn't so absolutely shit and happy to give away women's rights..
I'm politically homeless at the moment.
Who the fuck can we vote for?

Starmer did an absolutely fantastic job of trapping Johnson on his lies about parties. So it took a while to play out, but he had Johnson totally falling into the traps he set.

bombastix · 23/09/2023 23:05

Yeah he is over. Cabbie today said the way he speaks is rich. He explained that Sunak always answers any question without really thinking about why it is being asked, and with a "I am rich, how much money do you have" attitude.

I don't like him. He wears the PM status like a pair of luxury fucking loafers. It's just another thing to have for him and it shows every time he speaks.

Spacehopperno1 · 23/09/2023 23:07

jgw1 · 23/09/2023 22:38

The trouble is the big house builders are wedded to the way they cheaply build homes and they use some of the profits as bungs to the Tories to keep things the way they are.
Why are new homes being built without solar panels and sustainable heating?

my house was built in 1935, souped up 2 up, 2 down terrace. Local housing stock is late C19th tenement flats and housing of same age plus 1950s semis (originally bungalows but now largely also souped up). Am sure there is much that could be done but not by individual property owners. It’s insane to expect this but the wasted collective potential makes me feel so angry.

user1497207191 · 23/09/2023 23:11

noblegiraffe · 23/09/2023 20:34

I think he does care. He's not the sort of person who is used to being a massive failure and I bet it really rankles.

Can those who have voted that IABU explain how the meat tax/7 bins thing are in any way the actions of a serious politician?

And anyone who would argue that HS2 good bits need scrapping because they are expensive - scrapping A-levels would cost a bloody fortune, so what's that about?

his incompetence was obvious when he excluded 3 million self employed and freelancers from his covid support grants.

BitOutOfPractice · 23/09/2023 23:16

no, freelancers (if you mean sole traders) were not excluded. Limited companies were. As a single person limited company with no premises I was left high and dry Just one of the reasons I hate the odious little shitehawk

WillowCraft · 23/09/2023 23:17

MidnightOnceMore · 23/09/2023 21:59

Hybrids are pretty pointless, they're green washing.

We need to shift to electric, or we'll have expensive hybrids while the rest of the planet have ever cheaper electric.

Time to move on from oil.

Electric cars are greenwashing too. An improvement in air quality in urban areas, but worse tyre and brake pollution due to them being heavier. They cost a lot more carbon to make. The materials used for the batteries are not renewable. If the energy used to power them isn't more or less 100% green they also take more carbon to run due to inefficiency in transfer of energy.

HeddaGarbled · 23/09/2023 23:28

His polling was so appalling, I’m assuming the reasoning is that he might as well throw caution to the wind and do something radical rather than just drift inexorably towards annihilation.

Pumpernickel27 · 23/09/2023 23:33

He's got too much money and privilege to ever be 'with it'

BMW6 · 23/09/2023 23:36

Well I think the next GE is Labour's unless they manage to snatch defeat in the jaws of victory.

But they've managed to do so before

Wolvesart · 23/09/2023 23:39

He never ‘had it’ as he’s a posh person same as Boris or any other Tory

24HoursFromTulseHillEstate · 23/09/2023 23:44

FFS, why, in the teeth of constitutional and economic collapse, do PMs have to start pissing about with whatever their educational hobby horse is? That they know nothing about? May wasting time she could have been uniting gvt with resurrecting grammar schools. Rishi wants to rearrange A levels.

And as for IHT… those that pay it by definition have money. This is not the moment to prioritise it for reform / abolition.

FFS.

tobee · 23/09/2023 23:46

I find it amazing that any Tory MP can bear to keep it going any longer: "just kill me now and call the fucking general election". But presumably Tufton Street types haven't quite milked the golden goose (Grin) enough yet?

All the new policies that have been announced by governments in the last X number of years are just a load of rubbish to make the latest edition of The Daily Telegraph as Rory Stewart found out when he was made junior minister. As is explained in his latest book.

All smoke and mirrors indeed.

tobee · 23/09/2023 23:47

Especially as the turnover of PMs is so high. It's somebody else's job to deal with.

CallumDansTransitVan · 23/09/2023 23:51

MidnightOnceMore · 23/09/2023 21:59

Hybrids are pretty pointless, they're green washing.

We need to shift to electric, or we'll have expensive hybrids while the rest of the planet have ever cheaper electric.

Time to move on from oil.

The UK can't produce enough electricity to run our current needs, never mind adding electric cars into the mix. At present I agree with Dymaxion, that hybrids are the best option for new cars.

Along with stopping this nonsense of banning or making older cars too expensive to use in many cities. The enviromental cost in CO2 in production of all the components and lithium battieries if applicable to build a new car, far outweighs keeping old ones on the road longer.