Russel has spoken

[Whyismyfacealwaysdry]

On Instagram, has anyone seen? What are your thoughts?

What I find revealing is the cherry picking of information and data that conspiracy theorists do.

Data that they make 'fit' their theories is Truth.

Data from verified scientific sources is False and a Cover Up.

They quite literally ignore actual evidence ("actors" "staged") and disbelieve witnesses.

Not long ago, a conspiracy theorist met with reality when he was sued in America for spouting his dangerous bullshit.

Excellent explanation thank you. How sad, the facts are …..”low rate of prosecution of rapists, and the even lower rate of conviction”……and also…..”What's unfair is that rape apologists care only for the damage done to the perpetrator, and not for the life-changing damage done to the victims.” You write very clearly and well! 👍🏻😊👏🏻

If you didn’t realise you were seeing actors, you weren’t paying attention - it was clearly labelled.

If you don’t like music or trailers, why not read the Times article instead? It contains the exact same information about sexual assaults and rapes.

You seem to be confused about the timeline re ‘Alice’ - she met Brand when she was at school, when he approached her on the street. She went on to work in tv, and specifically channel 4, where Brand’s name came up as a suggestion for a presenter.

I can’t find the ‘unredacted’ texts except on some dreadful You Tube channel. Do you have a link?

As has been pointed out ad infinitum, the article and documentary must reach a standard of proof prior to broadcast - otherwise those involved are open to a defamation case. Both have been legalled to death - one reason not all the allegations were included. Without a wealth of corroborating evidence, they could not go to print.

Absolutely baffled how people can be so uninformed about the way the traditional media works. Of the endless checks & balances required to broadcast or print something.

NB this is not the case on social media where any old shit can be stuck in front of an audience of hapless twits with poor critical thinking tools.

summary of official data that "officials" would rather the masses didn't see'?

Which 'official data' are you referring to?

If it's something Russell Brand has access to, it's something the wider public would also have access to, so what's supposed to be hidden exactly?

This is why a TV spectacular on this was not the way to go and why people on this thread saying, "I never liked him, he is hairy, dirty-looking" etc. are ridiculous.

Why? I have never liked him.

I have never found him funny, I don't think he is particularly intelligent and I cannot get my head around people who think he is.

I'm not commenting on his YouTube content as I have never watched it.

@Lazyusername

Her mother also drove her to Brand's house during the relationship.

I have no idea why a minority of posters keep saying this. What bearing does it have on the rape allegation? (Or anything for that matter?)

Are you joking!? Oh yes, there's been lots of coverage of those increases. However, none of those - with the exception of suicide - would cause a fit, healthy young man to just 'die suddenly' in his sleep. THAT'S the issue here. If you think this pattern is normal, you are beyond help.

On the topic of Brand's YT content, you are in absolutely NO position to affirm that he's a 'conspiracy theorist' if you refuse to watch any of his output. Otherwise, you are basically just spouting what you've been told to think by others. And I just can't engage with that. So, BingBang, I think we're done here.

@Lazyusername

Her mother also drove her to Brand's house during the relationship.

What relevance does this have to whether or not a sexual assault took place?

It's been mentioned a few times but I can't work out what possible relevance it has.

@Lazyusername

I feel we were led to believe this was a schoolgirl with no connection to him.

She was a stranger when he met her and approached her while she was shopping - are you thinking of someone else? What connection was there when they met? She was a stranger to him.

Her mother also drove her to Brand's house during the relationship.

What relevance does this have to whether or not she was assaulted?

I also have now seen the unredacted text sent by the woman who says, "no means no" (it's online if you search for it). On reading it in full it is not quite as presented on the TV show.

Could you share a link please as I can only find the attached which I don't think presents a different conversation, or any additional nuance, to that included in the TV show.

Is that text message supposed to prove innocence?
If you tell a man to use a condom and he doesn't that is rape.

However, none of those - with the exception of suicide - would cause a fit, healthy young man to just 'die suddenly' in his sleep

Sadly, there have always been cases of fit and healthy young people dying suddenly. Can you link to the data about young men dying in their sleep please?

www.c-r-y.org.uk/why-the-young-and-healthy-drop-dead/#:~:text=Every%20week%20in%20the%20UK,the%20peak%20of%20their%20lives.

That text message is so damning. Especially the part about him initially suggesting he make things up to her with more sex.

I agree it’s damning, although I had read it differently – I thought he meant his original plan had been more sex, but this was before the incident they talk about in the text

Oh, maybe?

You’re going to need to bring some facts to the debate if you want to engage. Number of young, previously healthy young men who have died suddenly in their sleep, for a start. As a subset of this, we’ll need info on the cause of death - coroner’s report, if applicable. Then we can have a proper look. I assume all this info is readily available from the annotations in Brand’s diatribes?

I don’t need to watch his drivel to know he’s peddling bullshit conspiracy theories, but to give it a go, I watched the video on how Bill Gates investing in lab grown food being a big conspiracy to centralise the control of food, to further enslave the masses.

What a load of bollocks.

Also, bless you for thinking I’m responding to your inanity to try and change your mind or help you escape the cult. Classic. 🤣

Not 'lying' necessarily... but I do have strong suspicions that these women were perhaps 'leant on' somewhat, which may or may not have had an impact on their version of events. It's very nuanced.

Also, some of the testimony in the documentary didn't entirely 'ring true' in that they used the exact wording from the accompanying footage they showed from his stand-up gig from over 20 years ago. Which, for me, made it questionable.

Whatever REALLY happened, I'm resolute in my belief that anyone accused of such crimes, should stand trial - but NOT trial by media.

100% this!

I don't know what parts of this, as you so eloquently describe it, people are struggling to understand.

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Indeed there have... but the number is frankly minuscule, not weekly headlines like we've been seeing.

As for data, easiest thing to do is Google 'died suddenly' and see how many search results come up (clue: it's a LOT). Also, Dr John Campbell on YouTube has studied lots of peer-reviewed papers on this subject, so all the data you need is there.

So you haven't looked at the actual data yourself?

Unfortunately, young fit (or thought to be) people do suddenly die in their sleep due to a heart arrythmia. It happened to a friend of mine many years ago. It's not new and didn't start after covid-19 vaccination. Have you never heard of it?

Indeed there have... but the number is frankly minuscule, not weekly headlines like we've been seeing.

As for data, easiest thing to do is Google 'died suddenly' and see how many search results come up (clue: it's a LOT). Also, Dr John Campbell on YouTube has studied lots of peer-reviewed papers on this subject, so all the data you need is there.

@Jumpingthruhoops

So Brands not really speaking out about news that is being hidden from the rest of us. You haven't answered my question, if this all a conspiracy about him revealing the truth how do you explain the fact that the allegations go back 20 years?

Indeed there have... but the number is frankly minuscule, not weekly headlines like we've been seeing

Did you not read the link @Jumpingthruhoops ? Approx 12 people under 35 die each week from sudden cardiac death.

Lol, so you are taking the word of a retired nurse antivaxxer who is making millions bullshitting on youtube. He cherry picks and misinterprets data. Try looking and studying the data for yourself if you can.

When did this thread devolve into wacky vax theories?
It's pointless as both sides will never agree.