Russel has spoken

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On Instagram, has anyone seen? What are your thoughts?

Imagine if a woman walked into a rape unit and said my boyfriend raped me last night.. She'd probably get nowhere and her boyfriend probably wouldn't be investigated.
A week later the same guys work colleague tells a similar story.
A week later his ex girlfriend. Same guy.. same story.
A week later another woman.. flashed at work, he goes onto a radio station minutes later and laughs about it.
A week later.. Not a woman this time but a girl.. In a school uniform.
Within a few weeks more come forward.

They think about going to the police but they look up the statistics.. They turn on the news.. Another policeman .. rapist/racist/murderer/(Remember your asking these women to deal with the Met police)
And then they see a story online.. A celebrity accused of rape.. They read the comments.. Innocent until proven guilty/It's been years they should have said at the time /He's a sex addict/what did they expect.
They decide no.. There's no point.
And then they are told.. You're not alone.. There are others. They share their stories.

Are some of you suggesting that this shouldn't be allowed?
The majority of rape cases are one person's word against another's.
Evidence is easily explained away when your rapist is someone you know.
I'd love nothing more than to live in a world where sexual assaults where dealt with in the legal system.. We are no where near that being the case.
In the meantime if this is what women feel they need to do to be believed then why not??
Russell Brand spread's ridiculous rumours all day everyday whilst getting paid ridiculous amounts of money and giving zero respect to who his words are affecting.
Millions of people died from covid yet he thinks it's acceptable to go on YouTube and tell his followers that it was all fake. He hasn't got a clue about the crap he spouts, Why would he.. he's an ex comedian not a scientist.

Like I said one person's word against another person's rarely gets anywhere in court.. Hopefully 8 womens word are taken more seriously.

@BlurredEdges
No! but I do work in profession where you have to be very careful about what you say, and how you use non-verified information.

Twelly, maybe a male rights forum you wpuld find more people appreciative of your views? This is I think majorly female so supporting women who have said they have been raped is the go to.

we all get you have decided to perceive brand as innocent, and not believe the women unless a court proves otherwise, everyone gets that. Just very few support or agree with your premise.

So it’s being widely reported today that at least one women did try and go to the police years ago - no charges brought. See the issue now?

I dont understand people thinking Russell Brand must be guilty or have no defence because he is not providing it to the MSM. He has stated he strongly refutes the allegations of any illegal behaviour, so he has given all the information he should at the moment. Why would he get involved in the media circus? He will wait until the actual court of law requires his defence.

People assuming the press should decide guilt are crazy, they have damaged so many people or peoples families of those sadly no longer here, through their journalists reporting lies, of course they should not be trusted to always report the facts and get the truth. They simply dont.

We don't know do we? It seems that masseuse he sued back in 2014 did go to the police and he was questioned.

There will be other complaints that none of us know about. Those do not need to be public knowledge, and it's odd that posters expect to know of them.

There was a masseuse who did go to the police and she was defeated and silenced by the 'justice' [sic] system.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/sep/11/russell-brand-jemima-khan-masseuse-court-order-harassing

So was the woman who said she was drugged and coerced into sex by one of the three men at the 'party' thrown by RB and his two sidekicks in Edinburgh.

I have said before that I believe that justice system needs to work. It is deeply worrying if someone has been to the police in the past and the case was not investigated.

Ok so @tiggergoesbounce , perhaps you'll answer the question that @twelly refuses to answer.

For these allegations to be untrue would require a huge conspiracy between many women going back several decades and in different continents.

Alongside a large number of respected, senior and well known journalists, including the excellent journalist Rosamund Urwin, whose careers would be over when the truth came out.

Do you believe this is the case?

We would all like the justice system to work.

In the case of rape, it doesn't. This is established fact.

Why are you saying 'if'? We KNOW the justice system lets rapists get away with it.

“While previous reports have found similar problems, ours is different. We looked at the process from start to end, directly following the victim’s experience. The results are unacceptable. The number of cases which result in a charge and proceed to court represents only a small proportion of the total cases reported to the police. Victims should not have to wait years for a court date, experience multiple adjournments, and then report, as we have heard, that the process is worse than the offence.

“We have made a series of urgent recommendations that, if acted on, have the power to transform victims’ experiences. But we cannot continue to make the same recommendations – and that is why we are calling for widespread reform of the entire criminal justice system, supported by long-term funding.”

Criminal justice system continues to fail rape victims
The criminal justice system (CJS) is failing victims of rape, and widespread reform is needed to build trust and secure justice, a new report has found.

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/cjji/media/press-releases/2022/02/criminal-justice-system-continues-to-fail-rape-victims/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRape%20victims%20are%20continually%20and,prosecutors%20which%20must%20be%20overcome.

Just read this story.. That poor baby.

It's becoming more and more evident that Brand should have been stopped years ago.

I am going to leave this board as I find some of the way that people construe what I have said bordering on bullying - I have been very careful over my phrasing and have not been aggressive or made comments such as "ignorant" or "crazy" etc. In a democracy in the free world we have debate which allows different views to be aired - my view is not about this individual it is about the process , I am not defending anyone I am saying the the court is where this is looked at in order to decide upon guilt.

Could you comment on the findings of this report please? This is verified information. It shows that rape victims are systematically failed by the legal system and denied justice.

Her Majesty’s Inspector of Constabulary Wendy Williams and Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of the Crown Prosecution Inspectorate Andrew Cayley CMG QC said:

“Rape victims are continually and systematically failed by the criminal justice system

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/cjji/media/press-releases/2022/02/criminal-justice-system-continues-to-fail-rape-victims/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRape%20victims%20are%20continually%20and,prosecutors%20which%20must%20be%20overcome.

The process fails rape victims. Systematically. They do not get justice

I have posted you a link to the official report which found that to be the case. If you are continuing to insist that justice will be done in the courts, you are just demonstrating that you are unwilling to listen and learn about the reality of what rape victims experience. That's sad. No one is 'bullying' you

You are refusing to open your mind and understand that justice is not done in court for rape victims.

You'd treat her as guilty though based on some random person's say so and just for the sake of a couple of quid. Yet you think women who are rationally analysing the decades of substantial evidence against Brand and reaching the logical conclusion should wait for a trial that is highly unlikely to come before we're allowed to exercise the same safeguarding measures.

ok so @tiggergoesbounce , perhaps you'll answer the question that @twelly refuses to answer

Im thinking they have answered though. They have said that they dont have all the answers but dont think that the press should sit as our legal system. You shouldn't badger people to answer in a way you deem acceptable, they have given their view.

For these allegations to be untrue would require a huge conspiracy between many women going back several decades and in different continents

Yes, that is what would need to happen. It would need women who are contacted to have a story to tell about their alleged abuse and rape.

Alongside a large number of respected, senior and well known journalists, including the excellent journalist Rosamund Urwin, whose careers would be over when the truth came out

Can you tell me the names of the respected journalists and how you deem them respected?? How is this bar set ?

Do you believe this is the case?

No, I believe Russell Brand has treated women appallingly, i think because of his power, he was allowed and encouraged to behave appallingly. I think his behaviour should have been stopped many years ago.

You'd treat her as guilty though based on some random person's say so and just for the sake of a couple of quid. Yet you think women who are rationally analysing the decades of substantial evidence against Brand and reaching the logical conclusion should wait for a trial that is highly unlikely to come before we're allowed to exercise the same safeguarding measures

I think thats quite a leap. In the situation given, they would protect their own and air on the side of caution. They wouldn't jump on the pub table shouting to everyone that would listen that the woman was a thief and cast aspersions on her character in public.

People are allowed to have different opinions to you, you know

It sounds like it’s you who needs to be somewhere where everyone agrees with you

In the scenario I described, someone literally did tell 'everyone that would listen that the woman was a thief and cast aspersions on her character in public.' That was the point. So again, hearsay is enough to treat someone like a thief but after extensive research and decades of compelling evidence including admissions from the alleged perpetrator we still have to caper round crying innocent until proven guilty.

In the scenario I described, someone literally did tell 'everyone that would listen that the woman was a thief and cast aspersions on her character in public.' That was the point. So again, hearsay is enough to treat someone like a thief but after extensive research and decades of compelling evidence including admissions from the alleged perpetrator we still have to caper round crying innocent until proven guilty

Sorry i think you are misunderstanding me.

You quoted someone who said they would keep an eye on a purse if someone told them a thief was sat by them and you then told that poster that meant she would treat them as guilty and went on to likened it to the Russell brand situation.

I was mearly pointing out that it wasnt. The poster was saying she would air on the side of caution and not determine that woman was a thief based on heresay.

A first-person account is not 'heresay' [sic].

'Hearsay' is someone repeating something they heard from someone else.

A person telling the story of what happened to them personally is not hearsay. It is evidence.

I notice that @twelly has gone very quiet once the official report showing that the justice system does not deliver justice for rape victims has been posted here.

A first-person account is not 'heresay' [sic]

In the discussion i was having with the other poster. In that situation it was hearsay.

'Hearsay' is someone repeating something they heard from someone else

Yes, thats what happened in the conversation you quoted with another poster

A person telling the story of what happened to them personally is not hearsay. It is evidence

While that is correct that is irrelevant in the conversation i was having with another poster..

I notice that @twelly has gone very quiet once the official report showing that the justice system does not deliver justice for rape victims has been posted here

They have answeres though. They said they acknowledge and take as fact the stats presented. Its really nasty when a poster had said they are taking a step back from a thread for you to them target them with @ ing them. They will return if they see fit.

And you yourself have some unanswered questions.

Who are all these well respected journalists ??? And what bar deemed them respectable?

It's right at the top of the Times article

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russell-brand-rape-sexual-assault-abuse-allegations-investigation-v5hxdlmb6

And in the credits of the Dispatches programme.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/russell-brand-in-plain-sight-dispatches/on-demand/75795-001

And no, that poster did not respond when it was demonstrated to them that the justice system officially fails rape victims.

I agree that the system is flawed, I don't know if all the facts that are quoted regarding the rape statistics are true but will assume they are

blurrededges this is a direct quote of them acknowledging the stats

It's right at the top of the Times article

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russell-brand-rape-sexual-assault-abuse-allegations-investigation-v5hxdlmb6

And in the credits of the Dispatches programme

www.channel4.com/programmes/russell-brand-in-plain-sight-dispatches/on-demand/75795-00

Im not sure what this is in response to

I asked you who the well respected ones were ??
I asked you what bar was set to quantify them as respected - this answers neither.