Russel has spoken

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On Instagram, has anyone seen? What are your thoughts?

You’re dismayed at people wanting a fair trial????

I suggest you read the post again. And I am not responding to you further, as said, I acknowledge your right to feel as you do. I do not respect it and I won’t interact with you due to it.

Interestingly, surgeons have been in the news recently with regard to the research indicating that a high number behave in highly sexually inappropriate ways towards junior female surgeons. It’s a fine line.

It’s exactly what you said, why can you not interact with someone who holds different views to you though

A fair trial is always a good thing. A fair rise to power and influence would be nice, too, but seldom happens.

Yep- there’s some interesting work around psychopaths - Kevin Duttons work is interesting

As a principle people are innocent unless otherwise. If this say were an ordinary member of the public and people were making allegations then I would like to think we wouldn't immediately assume someone was guilty of whatever was being alleged. I do not think we should be saying we believe every allegation of rape whenever it is made - nor do think we should we saying we disbelieve an allegation - we simply as a general member of the public do not know the full facts. I don't think that is unreasonable - I am referring to the systems and the fact that there should be a process that is followed and adhered to.

You could argue that Russell Brand’s public behaviour was encouragement to all psychopaths that some of the less desirable traits of psychopathy are actually generally socially acceptable if you can spin them as “humour.” Rapist or not, he didn’t really perform what I would consider a useful public service to anyone, but he was nevertheless encouraged to appear in public and behave badly.

It’s not how I would expect any man in my life to behave. I think there was period when this sort of behaviour was encouraged by the media and kind of revelled in the whole obnoxious bad boy vibe. Brand was the darling of that.

If you’re going to be pedantic about it, the CPS decide whether to press charges, not the police.

But without the cooperation of the women involved, it’s all but impossible for the case to reach a standard of evidence required for the CPS to move it to a prosecution.

Journalists also have a duty of care to their sources, which includes not handing over their details to the police without permission.

HTH.

Wouldn't this have been reported in the press even if the women had gone to the police first? 'Well known comedian is being investigated for alleged sexual assault' type thing .

As one woman in the programme said he behaved terribly and kept getting promoted

That kind of reward in terms of money would be a strong impetus

You don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s all lovely for the perp. Want to know what happens in your ‘fair society’ for the victim? This so called fair system: your phone is checked. This is to check your own behaviour and any potential promiscuity.

You then have your criminal records checked and any prior records checked. Nicked a lipstick at 15? That’s it -you deserved to be raped. Had an argument with your husband - you are a bad person. Took a picture for your husband - you aren’t impacted and must’ve been asking for it. Been unlucky enough to have been sexually harassed at work - it’s your conduct. I could literally go on and on.

These are examples, only because I have a very bland, boring life did the conviction in my case go through. I didn’t have any of these which could see my case thrown out. The female police officer was disgusted by the system and apologised profusely. Before the perp is even arrested, the police spend months and months building a case against the VICTIM in case there is any history the defence could use. That is because the CPS require it to pass the stress test.

Everyone asking for fairness for RB can sit back down and be quiet. These women would never get fair treatment using due process. These so called fair processes you talk of treat victims like criminals and the perp as innocent. I suppose that’s ok in your fair world.

Some so called women on this thread disgust me.

@Princessandthepea0 absolutely , it's brutal.

Well where did I say the police have the power to press charges? It’s not being pedantic it’s setting out the correct position which differs from what was being said in a fundamental way.

Yes I made the same point about cooperation of the women.

Journalists shouldn’t withhold evidence.

Yep.A fair trial should be the norm.. It's practically a fairytale for rape victims.

I'll believe the multiple women over the self confessed sex offender, Russell Brand.

Do you think women can’t believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty?

Im horrified at all the people who seem to think that the justice system should not be followed. I realise emotions are running high and that the justice system is failing rape victims but this trial by mob and media is not the solution.

It doesn’t matter what you or I believe. This matter should be before a jury to decide who is telling the truth

You’re being deliberately obtuse or you don’t understand how either the justice system or the media works.

I admit to sloppy language when I mentioned pressing charges in my earlier post - but essentially it amounts to the same thing - without cooperation/ complaint from the survivors, the police have no chance of getting the CPS to prosecute. So, the shorthand is that the women have to want charges to be pressed. Better?

The journalists are not withholding evidence, but they are not compelled to hand anything over without a court order. Their duty beyond broadcasting or writing a properly evidenced story, is to protect their sources.

The police should be investigating, but they don’t - lack of interest or lack of resources, perhaps both. The media plays an important role in uncovering truths like this.

It seems you don’t have any experience of how the media works (the proper media, not GB ‘News’ and the sidebar of shame), so maybe do a little research around it.

No one has said that the justice system should not be followed you are making things up @Maatandosiris.

I for one am looking forward to the justice system getting involved. I can't wait till Brand sues Despatches, C4 and the Times. Then it can all come out in court. They've done him a favour really.

I didn’t ask for your opinion and nor do I care for it.

Sex addiction? Naked opportunism and entitlement.

Trial by media happens when all else has failed.

Exactly. He won’t sue them because he can’t - can you imagine the hours upon hours of testimony from former colleagues and women telling their gruesome tales? Easier for him to fuck off to Rumble and keep grifting.