Russel has spoken

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On Instagram, has anyone seen? What are your thoughts?

Hurts only themselves physically.

An addict is in control of their actions, it's not easy but addicts can control themselves, otherwise there wouldn't be recovering alcoholics .

Vigilantism- law enforcement by a self appointed group of people without proper legal authority.

Between the journalists and braying mob I’d say it wAs a fairly accurate description. You might call dictionary definitions strange, I tend to think they’re important

I can’t work out if you’re deliberately being stupid. It’s a good move to not reference the allegations. And why on Earth would he reference victims’ distress if his position is that there are no victims? That would be parallel to admission of guilt. Use your brain.

I am. he's not just doing as you say, He's making out he's the victim.

During treatment and recovery an addict can control themselves. During the period of these allegations, he was actively indulging his addiction. He could be seen to be treated now, since he has had his children because it sells his brand more, but the women he attacked during this time were victims of him and his addiction.

He spoke about it in stand up at the time, but he is calling it simply promiscuity now, to minimise that what he has done. He was clearly dangerous.

He has spoken about going to recovery just to shut everyone up. The man saw no problem with his behaviour. He knows that he is in direct violation of one of his steps by denying this. This is not a recovered addict.

Vigilantism. Law enforcement by a self appointed group of people.

This Hasn't happened. Nobody has dragged him to prison without a trial.All l people are doing is giving their opinion on the fact that multiple women have accused one man of the same thing.
That's aloud.. His victims have a right to tell their story and Russell Brand has a right to blame it on the media. And around that everyone else can believe his victims or defend Brand.
I've reported historic rape to the police and one of the questions they had is " Did you tell anyone friends/family/ex boyfriends.. literally anyone. I had and this was used as evidence.. The police contacted all of them and this was used as evidence.. A consistent story told by multiple people spanning two decades. This will hopefully be the case with Brand. Along with the texts/hospital record and taxi service between a school and Brands address.

It is more likely that he is guilty of rape and sexual assault than he isn't, given the statistics other posters have talked about. What are the odds that all of the women, including the women whose stories weren't broadcast, are lying?

I am not disputing the figures that you quote - I don't know if they are accurate but assume they are. I understand there are many allegations - yet the fact still remains they are allegations.

My view is that we should be concerned about any allegations and it is important that they are investigated. I am not defending anyone - I am saying that we need to be measured in approach and follow procedure.

Just look at the post office workers who had there lives ruined due to false allegations which were held to be true, I mentioned the allegations made in the area I live - again the individual was blameless. In a way it is important that allegations are properly investigated by the police as if there are false allegations and these are believed without question merely due to the number of allegations it will cause future allegations in any situation to be believed a little less.

My points are related to the principle I have no interest in this individual - I never watched his TV programmes or listened to him on the radio, I don't find his humour funny and for me I found it vulgar but that is not a crime. I just feel we need as a country to have clear procedures and need to treat people fairly.

I just feel we need as a country to have clear procedures and need to treat people fairly

I agree. But at the moment the system is not fair to people who are raped or sexually assaulted. That is why we have ended up with cases like Savile, Weinstein, Clifford etc. being initiated via the media and not the law.

Do you think that all of the many women and girls who have shared their stories, which happened over many years and in several different countries, including one who wrote an entire book about it, have all somehow conspired with each other to make up all of these stories?

It doesn't matte what I think or indeed what anyone else thinks - we weren't there. All individuals have the right to defend themselves, just because they choose not to say anything does not make them guilty.

As I said before I am talking about the principle - is someone/several people were to make an allegation about a non-celebrity I would expect the allegation(s) to be treated as allegations. Further action could be taken but it would be the police who would do this.

Was his sadistic abuse of animals never discussed after his book was released?

So you are advocating that the journos go to the police against the wishes of the women?

What on earth would that do for trust?!

It’s entirely the decision of the women involved if they want to press charges - the crimes are against the individuals - they get to choose what happens.

Oh yeah, because, of course, that would be the only indicator of misogyny 🤦‍♀️.

I despair!!!!

@squareyedannie what was that? He's famously vegan and an animal lover so is this something else on the closet that's now being brought out?

But this isn’t the answer!! There’s too much danger in effectively handing over the justice system to private enterprises with their own profit driven agendas.

im somewhat against at how anyone can think what is happening is ok and I suspect much of it is driven by (the understandable) dislike of the man

Actually it isn’t up to the women whether they want to press charges. It might be difficult for the police to secure a conviction but this public pressing changes isn’t true.

The journalists, apparently having evidence a crime has been committed should hand it over to the police.

@ClarkWGreaseball
He wrote about it in his book. It's all being spoken about now but nothing, apparently, when his book was released.

The presumption of innocence of a crime until proven guilty lies at the heart of society.

No it doesn't.🙄 It only applies in the courts. If I steal your handbag, I am guilty of stealing from the minute I ripped it from you and make off. Even if you decide not to make a police report, I am still guilty of stealing your bag.🤷‍♀️

Daniel Kalife who escaped from prison and was on the run for a number of days has entered a Not Guilty plea. Do you believe him too @Maatandosiris?🤣🤣🤣

It shouldn't have to be the answer, but the legal system has decades and decades and decades of history of failing people who have been raped and sexually assaulted.

Using the media to drag sex offenders into the light where possible may mean at least some small measure of justice may be served if that leads to a trial. If this happens enough times, eventually the legal system might get its act together.

I'm asking you what you think.

I understand the point you are making. But you have chosen to focus on the very tiny number of false accusations made, versus the very very high number of rapes and sexual assaults that go unpunished.

So I am asking you, again, for your opinion.

Do you think that all of the many women and girls who have shared their stories, which happened over many years and in several different countries, including one who wrote an entire book about it, have all somehow conspired with each other to make up all of these stories?

Oh, and @twelly . I have been raped and I have been sexually assaulted. I have never reported any of the incidents to the police. They still happened.

Many crimes never reach court. That doesn't mean the perpetrators are innocent. It's not us overriding anything, it's people who are fans of his denying the overwhelming evidence. But the straightforward question was: would you leave your daughter with him? If you genuinely believe he's innocent until found guilty (which is neither the actual legal quote nor the spirit it is meant in), what is your answer?

I'm not denying there is plenty of misogyny around, but your comment just didn't make sense. Brand's old stand-up routines have been taken off Netflix or whatever because they included explicit descriptions of sexual assaults that he's now been accused of commiting. We have sexist and misogynistic politicians but they don't have entertainment shows streaming on TV services detailing sexual offences. We have misogynists everywhere, but Brand isn't just a misogynist, he's also a sexual predator and it would be in extremely bad taste to leave up the shows in which he detailed his offences.

I agree, as much as if someone says I’m innocent, then yes legally they are until proven otherwise. But for sex crimes, I will always believe the woman until in the very remote chance she’s found to be lying. It is a rare thing that she is. And way more common she’s telling the truth . In fact irs 95% if rape allegations are truthful. So each of these women there is a 95% chance they are being honest. Disbelieving women over rape and sexual assault accusations supports rapists.

and as women we should all stand up and believe women when they say they’ve been raped or sexually assaulted. Rape victims have it hard enough to be heard, without other women supporting the accused rapist and giving it but he’s innocent till proven guilty, or she’s lying as he is of so much importance to the establishemt she’s doing it to support them .

is he fuck important to the establishment.. He’s a no mark that exploits and feeds conspiracy theorists vulnerabilities for money.

and for clarity, no one guilty , is innocent, until proven guilty. You are presumed innocent in a court. But that doesn’t mean you’re actually innocent. You are guilty of the crime from the moment you commit it. Just because it’s not yet been proven in court, doesn’t mean you didn’t do it and are innocent.