Page 9 | To think this just sums up XL Bully owners?

Ozarkz · 2023-09-19T15:15:05+00:00

Look North last night. Peter Levy is interviewing a woman who owns two XL Bullys. Both cropped and docked which she says happened in another country before she got them (yeah, course it did). Peter asks her “so why do people want these dogs in the first place, what’s the attraction for you?” She replies “well I wanted dogs that were good with kids and famines and stuff so we got XL Bully’s cos they’re great with kids” Wtf? If I didn’t know better I’d swear this was a spoof interview. Good with kids and families?? These dogs have been responsible for the most human deaths in dog attacks in the UK in recent years!!! Just last week an 11 year CHILD was attacked by one of these dogs … so when looking for a child friendly dog she bypasses the golden retriever etc and goes for the breed with the biggest track record of killing humans … He then asked her if she will comply with the muzzle when the laws are changed - she said NO. Then the cherry on the cake … he asked her “would you leave your child alone with these dogs?” And she said “yes, absolutely. I leave my two year old alone with them all the time whilst I’m busy making dinner etc” Honestly the interview couldn’t have been any more gobsmacking. This just sums up XL bully owners doesn’t it? Thick as pig shit with no regard to their own safety or the safety of others.

Fallingthroughclouds · 19/09/2023 18:14

mbosnz · 19/09/2023 17:59

I work at a vets, in an 'interesting' area, and I see a lot of XL bully's, as well as every other breed.

I see owners who definitely perpetuate the stereotype in the OP. I see owners who do not relate to this stereotype at all.

Of all the dogs I have to be wary of, when they are brought in (and some we are instructed NOT to go out from behind the counter because the dog is so reactive and aggressive) I genuinely cannot think of one of our XL bully's who is like this. We have some that have to be given sedation before they come in, and wear a muzzle - we have that across the board for all breeds - from chihuahuas up.

The ones that are most reactive with other dogs are not the XL bully's.

They are extremely powerful dogs, and if they go off, it is not going to be pretty. I get that. I get frustrated with owners who have dogs they can barely maintain control of when the dog is calm - it's ridiculous. I see so many with labradors, german shepherds, Viszlas, etc, like this. And yes, XL bully's. But somehow, far less of the XL bully's, who tend to be some of the more placid of the bunch!

Anyway, I know this isn't going to make any difference, or change anyone's mind. But I do hate to see good dogs, and good owners (and there are good XL bully's, and good XL bully owners), demonised.

And yet we are not hearing about the other breeds you have mentioned killing numerous people.

TorqueWrench · 19/09/2023 18:16

BelindaBears · 19/09/2023 17:54

So long as they latch on to some other breed that I’m capable of fighting off should it attack me or my child I don’t give a shit. It is the breed because that’s the point - people can’t fight these fuckers off.

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But could you fight off a Tibetan Mastiff, Dogue de Bordeaux, Dogo Argentino, etc, etc? Because these types of guys are never going to settle for a Cockapoo.

There are actually far more dangerous dogs than the XL Bully, including the pit bull. Bullies tire relatively easily but pitbulls are so dangerous because they'll just keep coming like the terminator and seem to have almost limitless stamina - this is actually an intentional trait called 'gameness'. There's still pretty much no dog that can beat a true fighting pit bull. Maybe a Kangal but the jury's out on that.

And talking of Kangals, they have a bite around 2.5x the force of an XL Bully - almost 750psi vs the bully's 300psi!

Sadly, I feel there will always be another dangerous breed waiting in the wings. Many fighting breeds are more lethal than the bully, which was bred for appearance and not fighting ability.

DisquietintheRanks · 19/09/2023 18:17

Mmm, there's a surprising lack of retrievers, Jack Russell's, spaniels, Cockerpoos, labradoodles etc in that list aren't there? Almost as though big, fuck off muscle dogs make up a disproportionate number of the killers. Colour me shocked!

Twistedex · 19/09/2023 18:17

Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 17:49

The fact that you think you could stop an XL bully attack with a spare lead tells me everything I need to know.

Have you checked your dogs blood line for a dog called Kimbo? I hope for your sake (and everyone around you) that he doesn’t feature.

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No, I don't think I could stop it. I said that is the best way of trying to stop an attacking dog. To the best of my ability, I would not put my dog in a situation where she would be more likely to attack, because I can read her body language. Should the worst happen and she did attack out of nowhere, she is firmly attached to me and I would be the person at greatest risk. The same goes for my old GSDs, and any other strong, large breed that I may choose to own.

I haven't seen any XL-positive response on here that has suggested they think their dog wouldn't hurt a fly. I'm fully aware of the risk that owning a dog comes with, and of the traits that bully breeds have become known for. As much as some of you like to keep bleating on, we are not all thick, knuckle-dragging morons.

Ponoka7 · 19/09/2023 18:18

It isn't just human fatalities that count. One newspaper article I read said that every day a dog was attacked by an XL Bully, most die or have to be PTS. I don't agree with some of the comments about large dogs though. I'm quite small but had my GS under complete control. I didn't even have to use voice commands, I taught him makaton, because we had to use it with my autistic youngest and she loved that the dog understood her.

mbosnz · 19/09/2023 18:19

I understand what you are saying @Fallingthroughclouds. It absolutely is a concern the increase in dog attacks, particularly fatal ones, and XL bullies are very much overrepresented in this. I do think far too many people of all stripes, are getting far too many dogs, of all stripes, who do not understand or try to understand, their dog's innate nature, it's individual temperament, it's breeding, and its past experiences. Dogs like xl bullies are very much overrepresented in this cohort.

Another big problem is that people are setting themselves up as dog walkers, behaviouralists, and trainers, who actually have no training themselves, and who are setting up their clients and their pets for failure.

Ihateboris · 19/09/2023 18:20

VeloVixen · 19/09/2023 17:46

Has someone really been killed by a Jack Russell? Have to say, that would be an extraordinary bit of bad luck, did they trip up over it and bang their head?

This made me laugh 😃
...thanks for cheering me up!

JoshLymanIsHotterThanSam · 19/09/2023 18:20

I’m not going to stereotype the owners of XL bullies as clearly there are people that don’t meet the stereotype.

But why the fuck you’d want a dog that powerful is beyond me. I have two dogs, both of which I could kill by stamping on its neck if I needed to. I cannot forsee ever needing to as they’re soft as shit but you never know.

I’ve read a lot about the inbreeding of this breed and much like the red cocker spaniel it eventually causes something like cocker rage.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 19/09/2023 18:21

mbosnz · 19/09/2023 17:59

I work at a vets, in an 'interesting' area, and I see a lot of XL bully's, as well as every other breed.

I see owners who definitely perpetuate the stereotype in the OP. I see owners who do not relate to this stereotype at all.

Of all the dogs I have to be wary of, when they are brought in (and some we are instructed NOT to go out from behind the counter because the dog is so reactive and aggressive) I genuinely cannot think of one of our XL bully's who is like this. We have some that have to be given sedation before they come in, and wear a muzzle - we have that across the board for all breeds - from chihuahuas up.

The ones that are most reactive with other dogs are not the XL bully's.

They are extremely powerful dogs, and if they go off, it is not going to be pretty. I get that. I get frustrated with owners who have dogs they can barely maintain control of when the dog is calm - it's ridiculous. I see so many with labradors, german shepherds, Viszlas, etc, like this. And yes, XL bully's. But somehow, far less of the XL bully's, who tend to be some of the more placid of the bunch!

Anyway, I know this isn't going to make any difference, or change anyone's mind. But I do hate to see good dogs, and good owners (and there are good XL bully's, and good XL bully owners), demonised.

Similar experience in the vets where I work.

Fallingthroughclouds · 19/09/2023 18:22

mbosnz · 19/09/2023 18:19

I understand what you are saying @Fallingthroughclouds. It absolutely is a concern the increase in dog attacks, particularly fatal ones, and XL bullies are very much overrepresented in this. I do think far too many people of all stripes, are getting far too many dogs, of all stripes, who do not understand or try to understand, their dog's innate nature, it's individual temperament, it's breeding, and its past experiences. Dogs like xl bullies are very much overrepresented in this cohort.

Another big problem is that people are setting themselves up as dog walkers, behaviouralists, and trainers, who actually have no training themselves, and who are setting up their clients and their pets for failure.

Agreed

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Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 18:24

Twistedex · 19/09/2023 18:17

No, I don't think I could stop it. I said that is the best way of trying to stop an attacking dog. To the best of my ability, I would not put my dog in a situation where she would be more likely to attack, because I can read her body language. Should the worst happen and she did attack out of nowhere, she is firmly attached to me and I would be the person at greatest risk. The same goes for my old GSDs, and any other strong, large breed that I may choose to own.

I haven't seen any XL-positive response on here that has suggested they think their dog wouldn't hurt a fly. I'm fully aware of the risk that owning a dog comes with, and of the traits that bully breeds have become known for. As much as some of you like to keep bleating on, we are not all thick, knuckle-dragging morons.

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Ok well I truly hope things work out for you

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Anewnamea · 19/09/2023 18:24

I don’t think it’s about blaming the owner or the dog. It’s just about the fact of reducing the risk.

Yes some owners are terrible and basically create monsters out of dogs, but even if that’s the case they still have created a monster that’s not safe to be around humans in society. I don’t get why people say “it’s the owner” as if this means we should just let things carry on the way they are now.

The dog walker who was was mauled by her own dog earlier this year in Surrey, had rescued the xl bully or pitbull that had bitten a child in its first home . She was determined to rehabilitate this dog and it bit her on a number of occasions before it turned on a member of the public and it’s dog, and then ultimately her.

In cases where an owner has been cruel I’d be more than happy for owners to face jail btw. But the dog is still unsafe

There’s also cases of dogs which have been treated well and turned on owners or randoms . I’ve witnessed this with a family friend who had a staffie type dog which attacked their youngest daughter twice.

All dog breeds face abuse sadly but it’s only some who are topping the list of fatal attacks. We can’t stop bad dog owners unfortunately, some even start off good but end up neglectful.

We need to make sure the risk of dogs - good owners or not - attacking members of the public is greatly reduced. If that is muzzles and leashes for all then so be it.

MrsPebbles · 19/09/2023 18:24

Yet again it's the breed that's blamed and not the owner. Any breed of dog can become aggressive if that's the way they have been raised. When I was young it was Alsatians that were the "danger" dogs, then it was Dobermanns, then Rottweilers, then Staffies. Thankfully none of these breeds have been banned and I hope that XL bullies won't either, although muzzling in public is a good idea, and the people I know of who own these dogs are more than happy to comply with this. However, people need to realise that it's not the dog that is the problem, it's a minority of owners and something needs to be done to stop these dogs falling into the wrong hands. The MSM are notorious for winding up the general public about "dangerous" dogs, but until the breeding of any breed of dog is regulated and breeders held to the highest standards, then this problem isn't going to go away, it will another breed blamed next time. If any of you are on Twitter/X check out Animal Adoptions UK for a sensible view on this subject, and on Instagram check out Scottishstantheman to see what these dogs can be like if they have the right owners.

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Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 18:26

JoshLymanIsHotterThanSam · 19/09/2023 18:20

I’m not going to stereotype the owners of XL bullies as clearly there are people that don’t meet the stereotype.

But why the fuck you’d want a dog that powerful is beyond me. I have two dogs, both of which I could kill by stamping on its neck if I needed to. I cannot forsee ever needing to as they’re soft as shit but you never know.

I’ve read a lot about the inbreeding of this breed and much like the red cocker spaniel it eventually causes something like cocker rage.

Apparently studies are ongoing to determine whether XL bullies are also prone to rage syndrome

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PaulaZackMayo · 19/09/2023 18:28

VeloVixen · 19/09/2023 17:53

Have googled. Found reports of a baby who was killed by a JRT and also someone who died of sepsis after been nipped by his JRT.

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Awful about the baby, that's why I never trust any dogs with babies/children.

The man was very unlucky but a Jack Russell is never going to savage a man to death.

I totally understand that not all bully dogs are nasty. I just couldn't live with a dog that could kill me if it wanted to.

crumblingschools · 19/09/2023 18:28

How many irresponsible X bully owners go to vets?

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/09/2023 18:29

nopenotplaying · 19/09/2023 18:10

List of fatalities by breed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List offfatal doggattacks innthe UniteddKingdom

Read the right hand column also for full context

Bloody hell @nopenotplaying - that list really is eye-opening, isn't it?!

I know these are only fatalities rather than all bites, but I think that's the point isn't it?! It's what we've all been saying - when these heavy, powerful breeds bite, there's no way of stopping them. If one of these heavy bull breeds bites, you're probably fucked.

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That's a very bold assumption.

Wetblanket78 · 19/09/2023 18:29

No children that young should be left unsupervised with a child anyway no matter what breed. There was a mother local to me saying she has 4 XL bullies saying their big softies with her kids. Showing a picture of a toddler cuddled up with them 2 of them. With the child's face right next to both of the dogs mouths.

I seen a video the other day of a dad saying his son was only going to his friends house and was attacked in the st. The dog took a chunk out of his son's calf. They never found the flesh that the dog had bitten off. So was assumed the dog had eaten it.

QOD · 19/09/2023 18:29

a family member has one, her fiancé came home with a puppy a year or 18 mths ago. She's "wonderful with the kids, so well trained and such a good temperament."
Except she hasn't - they don't let her in the same room as the kids, she spends half her life stuck in the kitchen or their tiny garden, my cousin can't walk her as she pulls on the lead ... absolutely no chance of getting her off one of the girls if she gets out of the kitchen ..
But she is lovely ... and un neutered ...
Cousins fella is a nice lad from a horrendous family who have been to prison for having their dogs attack people ...
Meanwhile I have a chihuahua who is very gentle and placid but are well known to be biters. As someone else said above, I could get her off anyone with one hand ...

Cowlover89 · 19/09/2023 18:31

GoryBory · 19/09/2023 17:14

Collies are responsible for loads of bites and are one of those breeds that are not for first time owners because without proper training they can easily turn aggressive.

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Not all collies! My brothers collie isn't aggressive at all. Don't tar them all the same.

HeatherMoores · 19/09/2023 18:32

There are actually far more dangerous dogs than the XL Bully, including the pit bull.

Oh for goodness sake they are basically pit bulls. That’s primarily what they’re bred from.

tolerable · 19/09/2023 18:33

Sums you up. No point arguing with you really

Oioicaptain · 19/09/2023 18:33

I think that it's terrible that you categorise these owners as being of being of lessor intelligence OP! That is simply not true. Our local library is awash with these dogs meekly sat outside whilst the owners emerge carrying tomes of scientific periodicals and copies of The Economist.

SeriouslySeriouslySeriously · 19/09/2023 18:34

Twistedex · 19/09/2023 16:41

No, we aren't all the same. To assume that all dogs of a certain breed because of a number of animals who have been dismally raised and not trained is absolutely moronic.

Yes, they're big, powerful dogs. Yes, that makes them more susceptible to be used as status symbols by some bottom-dwelling members of the human race. They're also extremely intelligent, loving dogs who are eager to please and easy to train if you put the time and effort in that you should put into owning any dog.

I'm university educated and work in a professional, skilled role. I was gifted my XL by some very good friends who had an accidental litter and who refused to let the pups go to anyone who wouldn't train them, love them, and be completely responsible. I've been around dogs my entire life and she's genuinely one of the best I've known. I also took the time to train my children in how to behave around dogs and how to read their behaviour, and they can handle her as well as I can.

She's been spayed, she's always on her lead in public - not because she's ever shown any threatening behaviour, but because I recognise that she can seem intimidating to people - and when the time comes I will always have a muzzle on her in public.

So there's your reason; no doubt you'll come back with some inane argument or unsubstantiated claim to try and prove me wrong, because that's what people like you do. But you're wrong.

I agree with people saying a lot if it is bad ownership, but I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't shit scared when I have to walk past one off leash at the park, I live in a bit of a rough area and there's enough of them off leash with the type of stereotypical type of owner who think their dog growling and snarling and scaring people is hilarious .

I no longer walk my dog in certain places and I can see why so many many people don't like them because a lot of them fall into the hands of a certain type of person.

I've seen accidental litter used on puppy for sale listings, what does it actually mean? Not a trick question I'm just wondering as I only know two person irl who used this term, one when they left their unspayed cane corso bitch with their intact cane corso dog alone and didn't realise the bitch was in season and another when their in season bitch got out the house by accident, they terminated that pregnancy though because they had no idea about the temperament or health of the father and didn't want to risk producing puppies with bad breeding.