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To think this just sums up XL Bully owners?

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Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 16:15

Look North last night. Peter Levy is interviewing a woman who owns two XL Bullys. Both cropped and docked which she says happened in another country before she got them (yeah, course it did).

Peter asks her “so why do people want these dogs in the first place, what’s the attraction for you?”

She replies “well I wanted dogs that were good with kids and famines and stuff so we got XL Bully’s cos they’re great with kids”

Wtf? If I didn’t know better I’d swear this was a spoof interview. Good with kids and families?? These dogs have been responsible for the most human deaths in dog attacks in the UK in recent years!!! Just last week an 11 year CHILD was attacked by one of these dogs … so when looking for a child friendly dog she bypasses the golden retriever etc and goes for the breed with the biggest track record of killing humans …

He then asked her if she will comply with the muzzle when the laws are changed - she said NO.

Then the cherry on the cake … he asked her “would you leave your child alone with these dogs?” And she said “yes, absolutely. I leave my two year old alone with them all the time whilst I’m busy making dinner etc”

Honestly the interview couldn’t have been any more gobsmacking.

This just sums up XL bully owners doesn’t it? Thick as pig shit with no regard to their own safety or the safety of others.

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Horrace · 19/09/2023 17:00

You wouldn't walk around with a lion on a lead would you.
The owners should culled along with their dogs.
Wankers the lot of them

Groovy48592747 · 19/09/2023 17:00

You forgot the head and neck, and everywhere else tattoos.

Greenshake · 19/09/2023 17:00

Horrace · 19/09/2023 17:00

You wouldn't walk around with a lion on a lead would you.
The owners should culled along with their dogs.
Wankers the lot of them

What a well thought out contribution.

Butterkist8 · 19/09/2023 17:01

There's a couple who walk their XL bully dog nearby.
Yes I'll describe them as stereotypical XL owners but not here... you know what I mean.

They have no control of the dog ; it pulls him and he stumbles and strains with it. She shouts at him and the dog while she trots alongside a tiny brachycephalic handbag dog .
This bully is very angry and will lunge at any other dog .
When I see it in the distance I turn around and walk the other way.

Horrible thing.

Johnnylewis · 19/09/2023 17:02

They are dogs for the hard of thinking, who will argue until their last breath that they're no more dangerous than a Yorkshire terrier and make amazing family pets.

There is definite correlation between choice of breed and IQ.

Goldenbear · 19/09/2023 17:02

GoryBory · 19/09/2023 16:44

Would you say the same for owners of staffies, Rottweilers, malamutes, German Shepards and collies?

Because at one point in time they were all responsible for many more killings than XL bullies.

Of course the media is going to choose an owner like this idiot, so they can play into gullible people’s hands and make them into a stereotype.

So are you saying these dogs are completely harmless but it’s owners like this idiot that make them dangerous?

Are you saying that if she was someone like Kate Middleton that this dog would be absolutely fine?

I’m trying to work out if you’re blaming the breed or the owner.
If you’re blaming the owner (which is sounds like you are) then you’ve proven a lot of peoples points.

Er yes, perhaps apart from Collies. It doesn't really matter if you are an accountant, etc. You can still be ostentatious and lacking in taste.

orangegato · 19/09/2023 17:02

I agree wholeheartedly OP.

The invariably fuckwit owners chirp on here that their dog couldn’t possibly bite anyone as their training is superior to that of other fuckwits.

It’s a dog. It can snap despite how clever you think you are.

Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 17:03

GoryBory · 19/09/2023 16:44

Would you say the same for owners of staffies, Rottweilers, malamutes, German Shepards and collies?

Because at one point in time they were all responsible for many more killings than XL bullies.

Of course the media is going to choose an owner like this idiot, so they can play into gullible people’s hands and make them into a stereotype.

So are you saying these dogs are completely harmless but it’s owners like this idiot that make them dangerous?

Are you saying that if she was someone like Kate Middleton that this dog would be absolutely fine?

I’m trying to work out if you’re blaming the breed or the owner.
If you’re blaming the owner (which is sounds like you are) then you’ve proven a lot of peoples points.

I’m saying it’s a combination of the breed AND the owners. There are bad owners in every breed yet we don’t hear about golden retrievers going on the rampage and attacking people in the street, killing kids and ripping over animals to pieces.

There are always the people coming on saying “I’m a vet/dog groomer and the only dog I’ve been bitten by was a Labrador” … yeah, didn’t kill you though did it 🙄

The difference between a Labrador attack and a pitbull attack (which is essentially what these dogs are) is a Labrador will stop, the pitbull will carry on.

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UsuallyBaffled · 19/09/2023 17:03

moneyplantnation · 19/09/2023 16:46

One question I would love all bully owners and also dog owners to answer, if you are not keeping your dog on a lead and muzzled in a public place what would you do with your bare hands if for any reason your dog attacked some one or turned.

As with all living creatures they have a biological brain and for what ever reason can snap just as with any human. What realistically would they do to subdue and stop their pet and do they have the strength to so.

I would suggest even smaller dogs in a frenzy the pet owner would be powerless in a frenzy of teeth. So why do they think its acceptable to put any member of public at risk for their own selfish reasons?

I have a cockapoo, in your scenario if she went crazy and attacked (beyond unlikely) I could pick her up and restrain her, I may get bitten but she doesn't have the jaw strength or muscle mass to cause me real damage, would be quite easy to hold her mouth shut. I personally wouldn't own a breed that was stronger than me.

Tessasanderson · 19/09/2023 17:03

Having had a staffordshire bull terrier as a kid i know how powerful these kind of dogs are. I once had to help 3 grown men pull an english bull terrier off my puppy springer spaniel. When i say pull it off, i mean we kicked the shit out of it. 4 of us hitting it with sticks and whatever else we could lay our hands on. When it let go, it fell unconcious. We knew the dog, it was friendly and part of a family setup. The springer pup made the mistake of barking playfully while they were both on the lead. The English bull slipped its lead 10 mins later and went looking for her. Thats a dog, half the size of one of these XL's.

I would rather have a loaded gun in the house than an XL. I am confident around dogs but i havent the faintest clue what i could do to stop one.

Fireandflames666 · 19/09/2023 17:04

She is a bad owner and makes the rest look terrible. I know many, many Bullies owners who are lovely people with lovely dogs. Look at you all jumping on the media bandwagon and tainting everyone and everything with the same brush.

Guess nobody remembers the babies who were killed by Jack Russells or the many people killed by Rotties/Huskies/Chowchows or British bulldogs?. Or the many people mailed by Goldens, Labs, Collies ect?.

Bad owners make bad dogs.

Zodfa · 19/09/2023 17:04

Current list of reasons for owning this sort of dog:

  1. It makes you look hard.
  2. You acquired it by accident.

Any more?

Mamai90 · 19/09/2023 17:05

These are the types of owners these dogs attract. An acquaintance has two of these monstrosities and she has very young children and leaves the dog alone with them.

She is as thick as mince and has demonstrated in the past that she doesn't care about her children but that's obvious, anyone who has these dogs with small children is neglectful.

theemmadilemma · 19/09/2023 17:05

MintsPi · 19/09/2023 16:50

Twistedex - you sound like an intelligent and good dog owner but what do you feel when you hear about an XL Bully caused death? Do you believe you have trained your dog to know that if would never attack? Or do you think there is a risk to most things in life and it is one worth taking?

This is not a goady question. I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts.

I know you didn't ask, but I own a similar breed.

My first thought is sorrow for the attacked person and family. My second is irresponsible owners.

So many of these dogs are backyard breed and crossbred that they give the breed a bad name even though they are not breed standard. The breed suffers the downfall that previous saw GSD and Pitbulls get labelled - they're the must have breed for dickheads. These dickheads buy sleeves and think they're security training their dog. They aren't, because they don't understand the basics, and they create fucked up animals that take wrong signals. They don't adhere to the basics of not leaving children alone with them.

Now these dogs are usually SOLID with family. They bond strong and protect fierce. But for that very reason you should always be cautious. In case something goes wrong.

My 45kg beast likes me to use my blusher brush on his cheeks, but if he gives me a sign he's uncomfortable in a situation, I'm going to give him his space. He'll allow me to remove him from a situation by his collar, when he could easily NOT, but there is always a careful eye on his body language.

On the other side of this, our remote location is suffering a long running spate of house break-in involving taking the keys and then car. DH travels regularly and the dogs are a massive deterrent.

Dogonthebed · 19/09/2023 17:05

This was always going to happen. Dogs bred for intimidation is not something the UK puts up with and at some point they were inevitably going to be banned. They are genetically messed up by interbreeding. If I was looking for a family dog I would obviously discredit this breed as most sane people would. Also, pugs due to their health issues and frankly how cruel it is. You can shout into a black hole saying don’t tarn us all with the same brush. I do! You are not a responsible dog owner to support these breeds. You are setting dogs up to fail by your own idiotic grandeur and ego. I would bet the majority of people think the same as I do if I see you walking one of these dogs, you are a d**k!

orangegato · 19/09/2023 17:06

Zodfa · 19/09/2023 17:04

Current list of reasons for owning this sort of dog:

  1. It makes you look hard.
  2. You acquired it by accident.

Any more?

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3 you think your training is better to the point where the 9 stone fucking killing machine will listen to you. Spoiler alert, it won’t.

saltrocking · 19/09/2023 17:06

Twistedex · 19/09/2023 16:41

No, we aren't all the same. To assume that all dogs of a certain breed because of a number of animals who have been dismally raised and not trained is absolutely moronic.

Yes, they're big, powerful dogs. Yes, that makes them more susceptible to be used as status symbols by some bottom-dwelling members of the human race. They're also extremely intelligent, loving dogs who are eager to please and easy to train if you put the time and effort in that you should put into owning any dog.

I'm university educated and work in a professional, skilled role. I was gifted my XL by some very good friends who had an accidental litter and who refused to let the pups go to anyone who wouldn't train them, love them, and be completely responsible. I've been around dogs my entire life and she's genuinely one of the best I've known. I also took the time to train my children in how to behave around dogs and how to read their behaviour, and they can handle her as well as I can.

She's been spayed, she's always on her lead in public - not because she's ever shown any threatening behaviour, but because I recognise that she can seem intimidating to people - and when the time comes I will always have a muzzle on her in public.

So there's your reason; no doubt you'll come back with some inane argument or unsubstantiated claim to try and prove me wrong, because that's what people like you do. But you're wrong.

You sound like a very caring and responsible dog owner. But can I ask a genuine question. If your dog did become suddenly aggressive and went to attack someone, do you think you'd be strong enough to get the dog off?.

Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 17:09

Twistedex · 19/09/2023 16:41

No, we aren't all the same. To assume that all dogs of a certain breed because of a number of animals who have been dismally raised and not trained is absolutely moronic.

Yes, they're big, powerful dogs. Yes, that makes them more susceptible to be used as status symbols by some bottom-dwelling members of the human race. They're also extremely intelligent, loving dogs who are eager to please and easy to train if you put the time and effort in that you should put into owning any dog.

I'm university educated and work in a professional, skilled role. I was gifted my XL by some very good friends who had an accidental litter and who refused to let the pups go to anyone who wouldn't train them, love them, and be completely responsible. I've been around dogs my entire life and she's genuinely one of the best I've known. I also took the time to train my children in how to behave around dogs and how to read their behaviour, and they can handle her as well as I can.

She's been spayed, she's always on her lead in public - not because she's ever shown any threatening behaviour, but because I recognise that she can seem intimidating to people - and when the time comes I will always have a muzzle on her in public.

So there's your reason; no doubt you'll come back with some inane argument or unsubstantiated claim to try and prove me wrong, because that's what people like you do. But you're wrong.

You’re deluded. The breed is BRED to be aggressive. No matter how well trained it is you cannot train out breed traits.

Get a border collie and try and train out the instinct to herd …

Get a greyhound and try to train out the instinct to chase …

on another note, can you trace your dog’s bloodline back? Pretty important to know the temperament of the bloodline … I hope for your sake your dog hasn’t come from the dominant bloodline in the UK

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BabyStopCryin · 19/09/2023 17:09

Missingmyusername · 19/09/2023 16:21

Meanwhile Telegraph states that pit bull semen is being shipped into the U.K at £16k a pop.

We will never learn and it’ll never stop.

I was chatting to a colleague whose friend breeds these dogs. She said that they can go for tens of thousands of £. I thought I misheard - racehorse maybe?!). Wasn’t there a piece in the news over the weekend that a hell of a lot of those dogs on the U.K. can trace their line back to a particular dog and the inbreeding is really bad (never a good thing eh?

ohsuzannah · 19/09/2023 17:09

I am 70. When I was a child our neighbour had a Staffordshire bull terrier called Susie. She was about 1/4 of the size of the dogs that I see now. Susie was a quiet gentle dog and we all loved her.

Bad breeding has done this. Breeding for size, muscle mass and temperament , and it's still going on. These dogs will carry on getting bigger and meaner, this needs to be nipped in the bud now.

Strict controls on breeding including inspections, microchipping, the amount of litters each bitch can have.
Penalties should mean all dogs removed from the breeder. And all should be muzzled when out, that's simplest thing to start with surely?

LakeTiticaca · 19/09/2023 17:10

Yep!! There's There's whole raft of these knuckleheads popping up on SM declaring that XL bullies are big softies and wouldn't hurt a fly and the owners are to blame. They can't say they haven't been warned

billyt · 19/09/2023 17:10

I saw someone on the news the other day, who had four XLBullies!!!

Hard enough to control one, let alone four!! Just needs one of them to snap and you have a pack of uncontrollable megamuscle killing machines.

Ozarkz · 19/09/2023 17:11

saltrocking · 19/09/2023 17:06

You sound like a very caring and responsible dog owner. But can I ask a genuine question. If your dog did become suddenly aggressive and went to attack someone, do you think you'd be strong enough to get the dog off?.

I can answer that for her, no she isn’t. These dogs are pure muscle and stronger than the average man. They’re also a hell of a lot more determined than the average human.

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GoryBory · 19/09/2023 17:14

Goldenbear · 19/09/2023 17:02

Er yes, perhaps apart from Collies. It doesn't really matter if you are an accountant, etc. You can still be ostentatious and lacking in taste.

Collies are responsible for loads of bites and are one of those breeds that are not for first time owners because without proper training they can easily turn aggressive.

Maireas · 19/09/2023 17:15

Did anyone see the couple interviewed on GMB, about their XL Bully? There was film of it playing with their 6 year old son. They kept insisting that the dog was soft, wouldn't hurt a fly....the usual. It was quite extraordinary. Do some owners genuinely not know what these animals are bred to do?.