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Friend comment on Russell Brand situation...Not sure how to respond

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Startingagainandagain · 19/09/2023 12:05

I was messaging a female friend this morning

I was a victim of an assault by a male so called friend last year, which she is aware of.

I mentioned in my message that some of what the victims are saying about Brand resonated so much with me.

In her response she said something in the line of ''well he took on the establishment and now they are trying to hang him''...

This really surprised me as I did not have her down for someone who would fall for that type of nonsense and I am not quite sure how to respond to her.

My view is that the man is a creep and I believe the victims 100% and I am going to struggle with staying friend with someone who would put any weight on conspiracy theories. As someone who has encountered this type of predators, I feel strongly about it all.

Do you think I am unreasonable to think this might be reason enough to distance myself?

This is someone who I have known for a year only, rather than a close, long term friend.

AIBU to cool the friendship over this and let it drift?

OP posts:
borninthe80esss · 20/09/2023 08:46

Startingagainandagain · 20/09/2023 08:13

I reread the message that she wrote in details (because It upset me at first read and I did not want to return to it) and the content is definitely meant to say that

  • he was targeted by the establishment but also that
  • he was probably was ''off his head'' when the events happened.

To me that just sounds like trying to find excuses for a predator and there is not a single word of empathy about the victims. Taking drugs does not in any way excuse or explain predatory behaviour.

So I am definitely cutting this person off. She send me another message to check how I was doing but I will just ignore any further comms.

How insensitive.. And stupid!
Don't blame you op she sounds like a twat, they're all over the place at the moment with there stupid bloody comments.

lemmein · 20/09/2023 10:38

Comtesse · 19/09/2023 18:13

Anyone who believes in conspiracy theories is a dullard. I would not want to be mates with a dullard.

At one point people would've said the Savile story was a conspiracy.

'Jimmy Savile? That charity guy from Jim'll fix it? Abusing hundreds of women and children in plain sight, covered up by the establishment? What...the BBC, government and royals are protecting him? He had KEYS to broadmoor? haha nah, bullshit - dullard' Hmm

SirQuintusAureliusMaximus · 20/09/2023 11:50

His wife presumably fell in love with him. He seems to have settled down and been law abiding since they met.

If he is guilty of rape, she and their children are victims. She is currently pregnant with their third child. I can't imagine holding her responsible for falling in love with a seemingly dedicated husband and father.

I wasn't talking about the rape allegations. I was talking about his general behaviour and character. Obviously it's a personal choice who you choose to marry and have children with but whoever you "fall in love" with you don't have to marry them and have children with them.

Speaking for myself there are zero circumstances in which I would have children with a man who wrote about women in the way he does. There are zero circumstance in which I would have children with a man who had sex with prostitutes or went to use prostitutes with his father age 16 and wrote about it in those terms. It wouldn't matter to me that the latter was his father's decision because I would consider there would be no chance that someone from that background would have the basic psychological stability that I would be looking for in a life partner. I think if you have a background like that you are never going to be a good role model for children. I also wouldn't want a man like that as a grandfather to my children - according to Brand, he was letting Brand watch porn and leaving him with porn magazines aged 6. I know that's not Brand's fault but I wouldn't care. Creating life and raising children is probably the greatest human responsibility and choosing to do it with a man like that is a free choice and a bad one in my opinion.

It's not "victim blaming" because as I said I'm not talking about the rape allegations at all. I'm talking about his basic character as evidenced by what he has said about himself and the way he speaks of women and sex. Choosing to marry him is desperately pathetic in my opinion if you want to have children. What because he's famous, has money and can be amusing if you like that thing? I mean just think about it, those children will be able to read books where their father talks about spitting in the face of a woman. Why would you choose to have children with him when there are literally billions of men in the world.

As they say, judge a man (or woman) by the company they keep.

TheGhostofLoganRoy · 20/09/2023 16:30

xILikeJamx · 19/09/2023 14:04

He's spent years using his massive power, influence and finances to litigate people into submission. He is the establishment

Exactly.

I find this whole agenda very worrying, not just for the silencing of women and rape victims, but the way they're promoting "people who make youtube videos ranting that evil Jews are trying to mind control all of us via vaccines" as being so powerful and influential they need to be silenced.

I very much doubt anyone in any position of authority gives a fuck about YouTube conspiracy theorists. This is just a way for them to pretend to be very important.

"Help I'm being silenced!!" (usually screamed as loudly as possible) is all part of the game plan for clout-chasers desperate to pretend that they're very very important actually.

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