(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

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So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

Aside from anything else - children clear the virus faster, have mild symptoms and have lower viral load so they are less of a threat, unless it’s someone like a caregiver where they have repeated close contact thus transmitting multiple doses.

An adult, particularly if they are immunocompromised, will be more likely to transmit a dose that would lead to clinical infection in others.

I had a friend who wore a sunflower lanyard, this was accepted, no issues.

Again - start a thread about masks if you want, all this ranting completely detracts from the thread topic.

@Sparklecats I agree. New suggestion. Something along the lines of bonfire night with a bit of xmas thrown in where we create a bonfire with a 'guy' wearing one of those stupid cloth facemasks like that 'NHS Doctor' on facebook made a killing from, and burn it whilst ritually bashing pots and pans. Then, as is tradition, we dine on a scotch egg and watch reruns of the 5pm doomfest.

I agree with that @sparklecats - but no restrictions/collapsing health system I think WOULD segregate society into the healthy/unhealthy - and cause an even bigger divide between the rich and the poor, countries with better resourced hospitals becoming wealthier - and those with poor health care systems becoming poorer.

I think the arguments here about lanyards, or social housing - while important - are not addressing full global scale of the issue for ALL vulnerable people. There were a great many people who were worrying about staying alive as well as the impact of wearing a mask on their welfare, the impact of lockdown on their livelihoods. You can’t just consider the impact on one sector of society - you have consider all sectors around the globe and the amount of harm caused by restrictions or no restrictions.

On the contrary. This thread is about proposals for commemorating aspects of the pandemic. Some of the comments here are a perfect reminder of how some people lost all empathy, understanding and humanity in 2020/21.

Do an AS in the covid topic, dates between say July 2020 and March 2021, using 'mask exempt' as your keywords. See for yourself some of the awful things people were saying to the parents of autistic children, rape and DV survivors, people with TN... I've just done precisely that on the back of this thread and I'm in tears at some of it. Despicable.

Let's hope we never, ever again tell people they must not go to work, get on a bus, go to A&E, buy food, because they have a health condition or disability. Or call them whiners, selfish, 'vectors', filthy, reckless...

Totally @JerryLovesMargo And the comments coming out of the Conservative Party conference now show (as i and others predicted) that its back to the default setting now that they have finished using disabled people as a tool to emotionally blackmail others to follow restrictions. Now its back to cutting their benefits!!

@JerryLovesMargo

I hope - never again - that a CEV very close to me will not be viewed as an unworthy, dispensable, inconvenient person - so that others can have their freedom of choice and wealth.

@WhalePolo which is exactly what the disability benefits cuts do.

I hope that, too, as a CEV person who felt that way all through the pandemic.

The feelings of being inconvenient and dispensable were compounded by being unable to wear a mask, and the way I was treated because of that.

When people are spitting at, and wishing death upon, a person who is visibly disabled, it's clear that we've come to a pretty awful pass.

Ah yes. How often I was told that I was risking the lives of vulnerable people - when I'm one myself.

All the 'if you go out, vulnerable people will die' stuff in 2020. But it's okay for vulnerable people to die of cold or hunger because their benefits have been cut in 2023.

By the way @JenniferBooth you were consistently one of the few voices of reason on here during the pandemic, and still are (I remember your old UN). Thank you.

The people I know who were CEV barely went indoors in public spaces during the pandemic even with masks on. I'm a bit skeptical that you were indoors in crowded spaces without a mask on especially if you say you were getting spat on and death threats because of it.

@JerryLovesMargo Thank you to you too.

@WomblingTree86

Ah yes Something else i remember from the pandemic.

I remember an elderly lady who had collapsed in a bus stop stand. She had a face mask on and had trouble breathing. It was filmed and put on Twitter. People were outraged at the breach of privacy.

BUT as we can see by the doubts levelled at @JerryLovesMargo on here what choice was there

a. Film it and get rounded on for breach of privacy
b. tell people about the experience afterwards but dont film it and get the "cool story bro" "it never happened" replies.

Not sure why you think nobody would believe that an elderly lady collapsed at a bus stop.🤔

Oh come on You know full well what i meant Its always "cool story bro" when ever it was something involving a face mask Unless people could prove it by filming it. Thats why the young woman in the underground filmed the man who was harassing her. The man who walked ALL the way from the other end of the platform to berate her for not wearing a mask Yet they were the only two there. She likely knew she wouldnt have been believed otherwise.

My mum is in her 80s and struggled to wear one She couldnt breathe properly in it. She was told by a Tesco supervisor that she could take it off and i managed to get her a lanyard.

I barely did, too. But unfortunately I had to go to work and use public transport to get there. The CEV people you know were extremely fortunate to not need to go out to work or use buses and trains to get there. Unfortunately, that was a privilege many millions didn't have during the pandemic, CEV or otherwise.

There are many, many documented cases of people being abused and even physically attacked for being unable to wear a mask (please do Google). Are you sceptical of all of us? Why would we lie?

Well, you don't believe that I needed to enter busy public spaces despite being immunosuppressed, or that I was spat at or told I deserved to catch covid and die, do you?

I didn't say that you weren't immunosuppressed but that doesn't mean that you were in the CEV category. Not everyone who was immunosuppressed was.

Well, yes, I was. I've had 8 vaccinations (my first in January 2021) and been eligible for antivirals when I've had covid. I inject a chemo drug weekly for an autoimmune disease.

Good of you to tell me that I wasn't CEV though - if only you'd told me at the start of the pandemic, it would have saved me so much worry (and getting extremely ill with covid in March 2020). Also really impressive that you know more about my health than the HCPs who look after me, particularly given you don't even know me. Well done!

Given that you also claim to have covid 10 times and still seem to be working and going into crowded spaces without a mask you don't sound too vulnerable to me.

Oh I give up, we’ll done all for derailing the thread repeatedly with your mask ranting.

If @JenniferBooth is the voice of reason God help us all. The posts I’ve read are overly emotive, off topic and parroting unsubstantiated facts.

As for whoever was crying over past mask posts on MN. Why were you putting yourself through that on MN? It is full of predominantly - so it appears to me - parents of SEN kids, disabled, neurodiverse, mentally disturbed and abused women.

It is hardly a healthy cross-section of society where you are going to get a balanced outlook. Just look at this thread!

For god’s sake if something is distressing you avoid it.

As for CEV behaviour during the pandemic. We were all CV; kids stayed at home, I changed to wfh, DH was furloughed. We got tesco delivery and didn’t go near crowded shops or public transport because we didn’t have a death wish. Anyone we knew CV/CEV either got an adaptation to wfh, changed job or took time out from work.

As for the masks, I respect there are a myriad of reasons from not wearing, but anyone CEV not wearing one is putting themselves at enormous risk.

Well done for ruining the thread 😷

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This has got absolutely fucking nasty. Jesus Christ

@WestwardHo1 Just proves my point really They are not really bothered about people who are CEV until and unless they can use them as tools to emotionally blackmail others. Now its blatant

@WestwardHo1

I wouldn’t have said anything like this myself.

But it is a struggle to comprehend why someone CEV would be putting themselves in this position.

Everyone I knew was very cautious, had support from employers, family and friends to stay safe.

Some couldn’t wear a mask, but they avoided going into crowded places like public transport/supermarkets/offices etc.

Anyone with CEV health issues would have a major argument, if not court case, with an employer who forced them to use public transport/come in when under threat; especially if they were unable to protect themselves by wearing a mask.

I think that is the angle - though badly worded - @WomblingTree86 has taken.

It doesn’t sound a plausible scenario, unless someone has no friends, family, or ability to raise their rights with an employer.

Siri show me someone who says they wouldnt make the same derogatory comment and then goes on to say the same thing