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Why *I* didn't report

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AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 12:02

A lot of the time the answers to the "why didn't she report it" question tend to be quite abstract like statistics, research etc.

AIBU to hope with all my being that maybe, just maybe , reading some real life stories and experiences will explain why and won't be as easily dismissed?

So here is my story, one of them at least.

As a teenager I needed a maths tutor before some very important exam. The one my parents chose was a Uni mathematics professor with a great reputation and accomplishments, in the classroom and in his tutoring groups. He was the man to pick if you wanted your kids to get good results and parents felt grateful/lucky to get a spot for their kids, often needing a referral or a good word put in by someone with some standing.

The first few sessions were normal , bog standard,brain melting maths. These took place in his house, with his wife and son at home. The sessions were in groups of 5/6. I was with 4 other girls. Then during one session, while leaning over to help me with a maths problem he put his hands under my jumper. It was winter so it was a big bulky , high neck red jumper. I remember the colour of it and the rather scratchy feeling of it vividly. First on my back, around my waist, while still talking and explaining the answer. Then his hands moved up and he started grabbing, pinching, twisting. Through it all I remember stupidly still trying to solve that stupid equation and trying to focus on his words. Because what was happening it couldn't be happening. His hands were not on me. Who does that? I'm imagining it. It's some kind of accident. It's not happening. It's not happening. I even went again (did that imply consent, did I secretly want it, did it mean it wasn't that bad, did it mean it didn't happen) and 10 minutes in he came to "help" me again. Humiliatingly, I still didn't say or do anything. I just sat there, got on with my maths, screaming in my head that this isn't happening. Screaming in my head to do something,to say something. If he does it again I will, i promised myself. He did, I didn't. Next time.

That night I told my mother. She laughed at me, she made a crude joke. I rang him myself pretending to be her and cancelling my sessions. He didn't put up a fight and I remember how stupidly proud i was for dealing with it and "pulling one over him" and for actually doing it since I'd been dreading it and practiced for hours what I would say and how I would say it.

I didn't report because I was young and had had no support to do so. I didn't report because despite 4 witnesses, they didn't see anything . I didn't report because who would believe slutty old me, vs a Uni professor with a great reputation. I didn't report because I probably deserved it, I went back, I was this and that and the other. I didn't report because it was never presented as a real option.

It turns out the adults fucking knew. They whispered and warned each other about it. They gossiped and shared knowing looks about it. My own mother was told not to send me to him. But his results were more important, his reputation was more important, our grades were more important than our bodies, our sanity, our safety ,our voices.

I'm not looking for sympathy and I'm sorrys and flowers. It is what it is. It happened.
If anyone else wants to add their story, to share,to be heard, to be listened to , to be believed, to just let another soul know and let it all out (and hopefully to educate-as a side effect not a main goal) feel free to share, but no pressure to do so.

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YabbaDabbaDooooo · 17/09/2023 12:10

I know you're not looking for sympathy etc but I really am sorry this happened to you OP.

However, I'd just like to mention with regards to people posting their sexual abuse/rape stories on a public forum that there are some very sick fuckers out there who will 'get off' on it.

Obviously the choice is theirs whether to post or not, I'm just mentioning it incase some might not have considered it.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 12:10

As for now, as a 37 yo woman who knows her options I still wouldn't report if anything happened to me because I've seen/read/heard too much about the whole process. Enough to know that I'm not willing to put myself through that and retraumatise myself over and over again, to be called names and my whole history,personality and behaviour to be analysed and put on trial for the extremely small chance of a conviction.

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AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 12:12

YabbaDabbaDooooo · 17/09/2023 12:10

I know you're not looking for sympathy etc but I really am sorry this happened to you OP.

However, I'd just like to mention with regards to people posting their sexual abuse/rape stories on a public forum that there are some very sick fuckers out there who will 'get off' on it.

Obviously the choice is theirs whether to post or not, I'm just mentioning it incase some might not have considered it.

Fair enough. I didn't think of that,apologies. Even if this stays as a single post, I hope i made my point and makes people maybe at least think twice or consider the possibilities.

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DustyLee123 · 17/09/2023 12:12

I was touched by a child the same age as me, at about 6 years old. I didn’t tell anyone as I didn’t know what it was. And who would have done anything anyway, it would have been played down as kids exploring bodies.
I still get flashbacks now.

fairyfluf · 17/09/2023 12:13

I would like to echo @YabbaDabbaDooooo - this is something to be aware of when sharing stories.

ValerieDoonican · 17/09/2023 12:22

Well I didn't report eiher. I was abroad, travelling, without a great deal of the language. It didn't really occur to me to report as I did not expect I'd be any safer with the police. My hosts (also British, sort-of expats) actively discouraged me as they did not want to be seen as "trouble makers". And I also didn't report as I had made a conscious decision not to get into a physical struggle. So I assumed I would not have been believed anyway.

I was fairly young, but would I choose differtly today? Not sure I would have.

So doubtless that particular bus driver went on to re-offend.

M3T00 · 17/09/2023 12:24

Namechanged as there may be friends on here who will recognise parts of this.

I get it. I didn’t report because it took me ten years or so to realise that I wasn’t 13 with an 18 year old ‘boyfriend’. I was a naive kid, groomed for sex by an adult. I didn’t want my parents to know, I didn’t want police and SS on our doorstep. I was doing well at school and my mental health was good, so I didn’t want to rock the boat. I didn’t feel at the time that he had groomed or raped me because I thought it was what I wanted (which of course is the groomer’s MO!) I never said ‘no’, but as I’ve got older and wiser I’ve realised that I didn’t have the emotional or legal ability to say ‘yes’, and he must have known that. My friends knew and were worried, but they were also 13 and it wasn’t their responsibility to tell anyone either. Some of his friends knew and I’m torn between being angry that they, as adults, didn’t report him and relieved that they didn’t because it would have turned my life upside down. It ended because he ‘moved away’.

I still know him, and he has apologised to me in adulthood for what he did. Turns out his dad knew and threw him out (hence the disappearance), so he was punished in a way. I’ve forgiven him, I think, but I’m still left with the anxiety and self esteem issues. I don’t think I can pin them all on him, but he probably contributed to them. He has his own stuff going on, he’s autistic and has MH issues and I don’t want to damage either of our lives any further by reporting it now.

I’m sorry to hijack your thread, this was longer than I expected it to be. I’ve never written it down before.

Overrunwithlego · 17/09/2023 12:26

At 12 or 13 I was in a park with a friend. A man was opening masturbating in front of us. Thinking we were so mature and grown up, we were actually worried for if he did it to younger kids, so we did go and tell our parents. The police were called, he was arrested and charged.

You secretly enjoyed it, didn’t you?
You weren’t that shocked, were you?

Those were the types of questions asked of me, as a 13 year old giving evidence in court, dressed in my school uniform as I’d had to be taken out of school to attend.

That was a black and white case in which there were other (adult) witnesses who had seen him once we had raised the alarm, of an accused who if I remember rightly had previous similar convictions. And that is how we as victims were treated.

I completely understand why women don’t report.

Afterrain · 17/09/2023 12:27

I can relate. My Dad paid for 17 driving lessons for my 17 birthday with a local instructor. He made me uncomfortable and insisted on checking my seat belt. And lingering, at first I thought it odd. He began touching my leg. One day in a quiet street practising a 3 point turn. I slapped him and got out the car. It took me an hour to walk home.
I never told my Dad as I think he would have killed the bloke.
I was an exceptionally young and naive 17 year old.
I didn't realise that sexual assault wasn't just rape.

I have never sat my test 40 years on.

carddino · 17/09/2023 12:32

I have name changed.

I didn't report a rape.

I was 14, he was the yard manager's husband where I kept my horse in the early nineties. I worked weekends and one evening in exchange for grass livery.

Nobody would have believed me, I would have been thrown out of the yard.

It happened three times.

I often wonder if my mum suspected because she moved the horse to a rural farm claiming it was easier to get to.

If I saw he had been named now, I would go to police, I would not be able to cope with media

jonnyjanetkeogh · 17/09/2023 12:33

I am sorry that happened to you, and I want to say how much I appreciate how you explained it all. It was very relatable.
I was 15 in a church drama group. One of the male adults started offering me a lift home each week and gradually it became that he would drive me home but only if we could stop halfway home for him to get off with me.
Teenage me saw this as flattering although confusing and it really messed me up for a long time if I'm honest.
The man has since died and I never said a word. For similar reasons to what you've given. It was hard coming to terms with that. Thank you for sharing what you have here, it is good to see others relating to it but also it's awful that anyone can relate if that makes sense.

Dontcallmescarface · 17/09/2023 12:35

I didn't report it. I mean who would believe a (then) socially awkward 15yo girl over a middle-aged parish councillor right?

fourelementary · 17/09/2023 12:35

I didn’t report one because I was a child and I was somewhere my parents didn’t know I went and I knew I wasn’t allowed to go. I worried that I’d get into trouble for being there in the first place, and that was more important in my 9-10 year old mind than reporting a strange man sexually assaulting me.

I didn’t report the other as I stupidly felt too sorry for the man and his poor wife. He was a patient on a Stroke rehab ward I was a student on and he deliberately groped my breast while I was carrying out routine observations on him. I initially thought it was an accidental placement of his hand, and moved but he then moved deliberately to continue and I didn’t even call him out on it. I was ashamed and embarrassed and then felt bitterly sorry for his wife who was standing by him and the huge upheaval his future care was going to require etc and I couldn’t bring myself to report it.

I didn’t report the trainee police officer who came to my youth club when I was 16 to help out with some self defence classes… he met me later that week in a nightclub. Laughed about not getting me thrown out for being underage if I danced with him… and then groped and tried to kiss me on the dance floor. I knew his fiancée but I said nothing. I don’t even know why- because I shouldn’t have been there? Because he’d deny it and no one would believe me?

In a small NAMALT moment, I will say that as a teen (13) I recall getting very drunk and chatting up some older boys who were 17/18 and one got speaking to me. When he found out I was 13 he made me let him walk me home and told me it was dangerous what I was doing. Bless him.

jonnyjanetkeogh · 17/09/2023 12:35

Overrunwithlego · 17/09/2023 12:26

At 12 or 13 I was in a park with a friend. A man was opening masturbating in front of us. Thinking we were so mature and grown up, we were actually worried for if he did it to younger kids, so we did go and tell our parents. The police were called, he was arrested and charged.

You secretly enjoyed it, didn’t you?
You weren’t that shocked, were you?

Those were the types of questions asked of me, as a 13 year old giving evidence in court, dressed in my school uniform as I’d had to be taken out of school to attend.

That was a black and white case in which there were other (adult) witnesses who had seen him once we had raised the alarm, of an accused who if I remember rightly had previous similar convictions. And that is how we as victims were treated.

I completely understand why women don’t report.

That is abhorrent. I am angry for you regarding the questions you were asked. I'm so sorry you had to experience that.

dentydown · 17/09/2023 12:36

My son was sexually assaulted in a playground by his “friend” (another male). My son rode away on his bike and didn’t want to go to school the next morning. We reported it to the school. On the police report it said the school said “he (my son) instigated the incident”. Then the report added that there was no evidence to back this up.

I honestly thought that because he was a male child of 13, he would be treated differently, but he was treated like a female.

Overrunwithlego · 17/09/2023 12:41

Thank you Jonny. I do hope things would be different now for child witnesses, but who knows. The judge did eventually step in, but not until my friend had been reduced to tears.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 17/09/2023 12:43

I can't read all these but I will say that I was raped and like you, OP, my abuser was someone in a position of power over me. I did tell someone, who said that I must've given him signals that I was up for it (or similar) so I put it away for ten years or so, until I was able to look at it as an adult. Even then it took now-DH two hours to convince me that I hadn't been in some way complicit.
This is what I took from the RB prog last night and the story of the 16 yr old runner who told him she was a virgin. Yes, she slept with him 'willingly' but if she was anything like me she wanted her first sexual encounter to be with someone special, maybe someone she would go on to marry. Certainly not with someone who would value her about as much as a packet of crisps. Also there is the power thing. "Why didn't you hit him? Run away?" people might say. But if it's your boss or teacher, you just don't.

rasiator · 17/09/2023 12:44

I was on a girls holiday abroad and was raped by the security guard of the hotel. The girls I was with knew after I told them. They were as young and as stupid as me.

I told the holiday rep and asked for advice re going to the police. She said "oh that's just (x) he can be a bit frisky sometimes".

She also told me not to bother going to the police because they wouldn't believe me anyway and that I should enjoy the rest of my holiday and forget about it.

I'm so sad for 18 year old me, 13 years later. I haven't ever discussed it with the girls I was with since and haven't spoken to anyone about it. This is the first time I've actually recalled the story other than the one million times it's been replayed in my own head.

So I guess I didn't report because I was brushed off. I hope the holiday rep couldn't live with herself although something tells me that she went on to enjoy many more years of the same job, completely unbothered.

NameChangeNotReporting · 17/09/2023 12:44
  1. I reported the first time a man followed me home and masturbated at me. I was 11. Told my mum. She phoned the police. They laughed. So I never reported an incident like that again. There were loads.
  1. Raped age 16 by a much older man I was seeing at a NYE party. I had got into bed with him willingly. I had been drinking. I was a fucked up teenager and didn't report as didn't think for a moment I would be believed and just wanted to forget it.

I got a minicab home from the party, I had no money and the cab driver drove me for free in exchange for me doing stuff to him. I didn't report that because it was kind of consensual.

  1. A man put his hand up my dress and grabbed my cunt in public. I didn't report because he was a stranger at a big event who disappeared into the crowd, and we were in a foreign country, on holiday with my children, and I didn't want to ruin the holiday or for my kids to find out what had happened.

These aren't the only incidents, and I've tried to leave out any details that would be enjoyable for any fucking horrible pervert men reading.

jlpth · 17/09/2023 12:45

I watched a courtcase of sexual assault charges. The questions/statements put to the (different) victims were utterly disgusting. You imagined it, you misunderstood, you wanted it, you enjoyed it, you cheated on your husband - didn't you. The crimes had taken 5 years to come to court. The majority of the jury knew he was a filthy guilty fuck. But there was a man who thought this was all ok and that the women were just ditzy confused liars (tbh I think this man was probably a bit of a rapey sort himself). And that can be all it takes for a fucking predator to get back at it.

Never in a million years would I report anything of that nature. Rape and sexual assault are basically legal in our society. As are 99%+ of crimes.

YewTree84 · 17/09/2023 12:46

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If you are referring to Russell Brand - none of those women went to the 'tabloids' and none of them were paid.

You should be ashamed for posting this.

Nename · 17/09/2023 12:49

I didn't report because it took me years to process what actually happened.

I was raped after a night out by someone I know. I was heavily intoxicated and he got into a taxi with me, came to my home, got into my bed and raped me while I was unconscious.

I have no recollection of the incident happening, only how I felt the next morning and the discomfort. I wasn't 100% sure if I had been raped or assaulted until I missed my period and discovered I was pregnant.

For years I thought it was my fault for not protecting myself, for drinking too much and for allowing him into my taxi and into my home.

GardenGuardian · 17/09/2023 12:52

When I was a very naive 16yr old I got myself into a situation with an older man where he said he would stop any time I wanted to, and then obviously didn’t. I never told anyone because I blamed myself for being in that position in the first place, and also because I couldn’t stand the thought of my parents looking at me differently, if that makes sense to anyone. If I didn’t tell then it never happened and I was still a virgin, only ever been kissed. Still fucked me up when it comes to relationships and sex for the next many years though.

ThatsMsAtomicBob · 17/09/2023 12:54

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And with a user name like that....

The Times isn't a tabloid paying for stories. These women were approached, yes, like reporters do with many stories. And the details were verified with numerous sources to make sure that everything added up.

If you think the fact that this came out in the media rather than through a police investigation makes it suspect, you haven't been paying attention to anything that's been going on for years.