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Why *I* didn't report

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AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 12:02

A lot of the time the answers to the "why didn't she report it" question tend to be quite abstract like statistics, research etc.

AIBU to hope with all my being that maybe, just maybe , reading some real life stories and experiences will explain why and won't be as easily dismissed?

So here is my story, one of them at least.

As a teenager I needed a maths tutor before some very important exam. The one my parents chose was a Uni mathematics professor with a great reputation and accomplishments, in the classroom and in his tutoring groups. He was the man to pick if you wanted your kids to get good results and parents felt grateful/lucky to get a spot for their kids, often needing a referral or a good word put in by someone with some standing.

The first few sessions were normal , bog standard,brain melting maths. These took place in his house, with his wife and son at home. The sessions were in groups of 5/6. I was with 4 other girls. Then during one session, while leaning over to help me with a maths problem he put his hands under my jumper. It was winter so it was a big bulky , high neck red jumper. I remember the colour of it and the rather scratchy feeling of it vividly. First on my back, around my waist, while still talking and explaining the answer. Then his hands moved up and he started grabbing, pinching, twisting. Through it all I remember stupidly still trying to solve that stupid equation and trying to focus on his words. Because what was happening it couldn't be happening. His hands were not on me. Who does that? I'm imagining it. It's some kind of accident. It's not happening. It's not happening. I even went again (did that imply consent, did I secretly want it, did it mean it wasn't that bad, did it mean it didn't happen) and 10 minutes in he came to "help" me again. Humiliatingly, I still didn't say or do anything. I just sat there, got on with my maths, screaming in my head that this isn't happening. Screaming in my head to do something,to say something. If he does it again I will, i promised myself. He did, I didn't. Next time.

That night I told my mother. She laughed at me, she made a crude joke. I rang him myself pretending to be her and cancelling my sessions. He didn't put up a fight and I remember how stupidly proud i was for dealing with it and "pulling one over him" and for actually doing it since I'd been dreading it and practiced for hours what I would say and how I would say it.

I didn't report because I was young and had had no support to do so. I didn't report because despite 4 witnesses, they didn't see anything . I didn't report because who would believe slutty old me, vs a Uni professor with a great reputation. I didn't report because I probably deserved it, I went back, I was this and that and the other. I didn't report because it was never presented as a real option.

It turns out the adults fucking knew. They whispered and warned each other about it. They gossiped and shared knowing looks about it. My own mother was told not to send me to him. But his results were more important, his reputation was more important, our grades were more important than our bodies, our sanity, our safety ,our voices.

I'm not looking for sympathy and I'm sorrys and flowers. It is what it is. It happened.
If anyone else wants to add their story, to share,to be heard, to be listened to , to be believed, to just let another soul know and let it all out (and hopefully to educate-as a side effect not a main goal) feel free to share, but no pressure to do so.

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Roussette · 17/09/2023 14:08

The one I really really regret not reporting was my dentist.
I left home at 17, lived in a flat and registered at a dentist. Check up fine, needed a filling though. I was laid back flat in the dentist's chair

When I had all the clips and suction in my mouth, he sent the nurse out the room, then started kissing me all over my face, squeezing my boobs and running his hand between my legs. I was TERRIFIED but felt very helpless given I couldn't even speak.

Nurse came back, he finished treatment, he told me I needed another filling.
I left, never went back and was too upset to report him. I'm ashamed of that but times were different. I remember it like it was yesterday and it was late 70s. He needed to be struck off.

GadgetArms · 17/09/2023 14:11

I didn't report because he was my boss and I had willingly accepted a lift home with him. He also had a really good reputation in the company, noone would have ever believed me.

I also minimised it internally at the time, he didn't rape me 'just' locked the car doors and inappropriately touched me. I thought it wasn't worth the hassle of rocking the boat.

One year later he went on to murder his wife in a 'sex game gone wrong'. He was sentenced to 17 years in prison, but this was 12 years ago now so he may have been released.

I still feel the guilt. Perhaps if I had said something at the time the chain of events may have been different.

Mother87 · 17/09/2023 14:12

Also touched by family friend/"uncle" when I was about 7/8 - my brother was also in the room, we'd sit & watch TV. No idea if my brother knew, but I've never mentioned it to him out of MY shame & embarrassment, even though it wasn't MY fault.
When I told DM, she didn't want me to tell DF as it would "be upsetting"

I also dismissed my own DD when SHE told me about a family friend/"uncle" of ours, trying to groom her (we later got "evidence" & info from other females in the family) I didn't "listen" - thought it wasn't "so bad" because of my experience as a child?? Because I was made to feel it didn't matter. I know better now

Again, adults would joke about this person, who was also a "respected member of the community" etc etc. But this was occurring in plain sight.

DD has "forgiven" me for my "ignorance/silence" - and taught me that, that adult/male spending time with younger females in a social-family setting is NOT YOUR FRIEND...

I'm hyper-vigilante these days & menopause has helped my ability to challenge misogynistic/predatory/patriarchal/racist/anything 'ists' behaviours. It does not make me "right" - but I'm far more attuned to spotting creepy fookers & dismissing wrong uns

Laloca2000 · 17/09/2023 14:22

@Afterrain Jeez this is pretty much exactly what happened to me. Driving instructor in a small town, also doubled as a taxi driver. Like to have a grope and more while I was driving. Happened on lesson 2 and 3. I didn't tell my parents because my dad used this taxi driver all the time and knew him well. My dad would have killed him and gone to jail. I lied and told my parents he was fully booked for a few weeks and then as luck would have it, I found a job and moved out and away from that creep. Funnily enough, I also have never learned to drive and I'm 57 now. I've been sexually assaulted by grown men 3 different times, one of them had 2 daughters who were friends of mine. I never told a soul because my dad would have landed in jail for sure. These assaults all took place between age 12 and 17. Would I report now, yes definitely but back then I was immature, naive and felt I knew what the consequences would be, and knowing how fiercely protective my Dad was, it would not have been pretty. Wish I could turn back the clock...

TooOldToTolerateBullshit · 17/09/2023 14:22

I didn’t report sexual assault to the police when I was 14 because I didn’t think I would be believed. This was based on the fact that the perpetrator was part of a religious youth group and when I told the other members of said religious group they said I must have got it wrong, I was lying, he wouldn’t have done that etc etc. I believed it was my fault for going somewhere on my own with him.

I didn’t report being gang raped at 17 because it happened when I was blind drunk and I thought it was my fault for being drunk. And based on previous experience I didn’t think anyone would believe me anyway.

I also echo what a PP said about not wanting her parents to think about her differently. I know my parents (now both deceased) would have believed me and supported me but I couldn’t face them knowing what I’d gone through.

The impact of both of those things have stayed with me my entire life.

Greetingsfellows · 17/09/2023 14:22

I was abused twice when I was under 10 years of age by the same person. I never reported it because one of two extreme results were highly likely.

  1. My emotionally neglectful and immature parents would have dismissed it and made me feel even more isolated and less loved/loveable than I already did.

  2. My dad would have killed the perpetrator and/or both of my parents would have made the whole thing about THEM. Their trauma. Their inability to cope and I would have been overlooked again and my feelings ignored.

Each scenario ended up with me being in a worse situation than I had already been in and having the emotional experience of being abused exacerbated and reinforced. I was the only one who was looking out for me.

Starseeking · 17/09/2023 14:29

A much older man deliberately came and sat next to 16 year old me in school uniform on the bus when there were many seats available, so he could try and get his fingers inside my knickers.

As the bus started moving I was looking out of the window, and suddenly felt a hand under my skirt, however the jacket of the man's nearest arm was still in the same position. I then realised he must have cut a hole inside his jacket for this specific purpose.

Initially I started coughing, but he didn't stop. I then started squirming in my seat as well as coughing and panic breathing, so he must have got cold feet at that point as he quickly got off the bus at the next step.

He stood on the same side of the road as my window, staring at me as the bus passes him. It's the only time in my life I've stuck my middle finger up at somebody, and tried to stare him out.

I never reported it as I didn't know what I would say, and whether I would be believed.

I also thought the "assault" (I didn't think of it as such at the time) was minor in the grand scheme of things given he never actually got his fingers into my knickers, however 43 year old me 27 years later now realises he must have gone on to do the same many times over to other girls and women, and possibly worse.

I'm so sorry I didn't have the strength to do so at the time.

JamSandle · 17/09/2023 14:29

I didnt report as my parents told me not to.

Vettrianofan · 17/09/2023 14:34

I have had trauma happen in my own family. It never goes away. One of my DC was assaulted by a child one year younger than him. He was 8yo. The boy had been watching/got access online to gay pron and thought it would be fun to force DC to perform oral sex on him and then vice versa. DC pushed him away and was confused as to what on earth he was doing.

This has all come out by DC as a teenager and he has started counselling. Police were informed, was interviewed by police. Nothing can be done. DC wanted to beat the living shit out of him. He couldn't make sense of it at the time. The severity of the situation. He was out playing in the neighborhood like so many 7/8yos do.

IveHadItUpToHere · 17/09/2023 14:39

Because he was an older bf and even though I was silently crying the entire time, I didn't say no. I even apologised for crying.
Because he was an older, influential colleague and I told myself for years that the hands and the tongues had been accidental.
Because when a man accosted me in the street and followed me into work, even up in the lift, and my colleague reported it to our bosses, our bosses said they'd checked the cameras and couldn't see him. But then admitted that the cameras weren't everywhere, they couldn't see the lift and they couldn't see where he'd parked his van. But I knew they did want to help and I just wanted to deny it, and realised if they couldn't find proof then there wasn't any point trying to report it.
Because he told me I was lucky he hadn't done anything worse and I knew he was right. I blamed myself for being in that situation and trusting that just because he was married, he would actually be 'decent'.

Ladybrrrd · 17/09/2023 14:40

I didn't report because up until the incident it was just some guy I'd pulled and we were having a good time. I had text my friends to say I was having a good time. To placate him afterwards I also agreed to further acts, and slept over because it was 3am and I couldn't afford a cab. I messaged him the next day to tell him how angry I was. At first he said sorry, but then turned around and told me I was a disgusting liar and it didn't happen.

I had seen the traumatic process involved in reporting as a family member of mine had been brave enough to do it, but it would involve telling the police and the courts and my very religious family that I had hooked up with a random and was promiscuous at the time. I couldn't bear the shame or the thought of being cross examined and dragging the story out again and again.

PiedPipa · 17/09/2023 14:40

I've had similar experiences including from being 'grabbed' up my skirt in a nightclub, sexual advances from a colleague, through to my uni housemate sexually assaulting me.

I didn't say anything to a bouncer or staff member about the incident in the club, it was around 12 years ago (I was early 20s) and even at that time, I felt like it was just part and parcel of being in a club, or being a woman.

The housemate was a few years before that- he was a womaniser and played up to that rep but had been respectful and a good friend throughout my first year. The 2 of us had come back over summer to sort the house and got drunk as we tackled cleaning the mouse-infested house. We watched a DVD in his room, laid on the bed, and he touched me all over, and I just froze, but he wouldn't stop. Like a PP said, I thought because he didn't rape me, he'd done nothing wrong. And even if he had, I'd been drunk(ish) and on his bed.

And last year, a senior colleague sent me explicit messages, and photos and videos of himself masturbating. It escalated to him touching me inappropriately at my desk.

I didn't report him initially- I worried I'd been flirty, and he'd gone out of his way to portray himself to me as 'socially awkward', so I convinced myself he might have an issue that affected his judgement, or maybe I was a prude uninitiated in modern dating.

I spoke out when I heard he'd been doing this to other, much younger colleagues who I managed (and that he had a fiancé). He even admitted it when confronted by my line manager. But that still wasn't enough. 4 weeks later I was told it was a 'grey area' an no formal investigation would proceed. 2 weeks later he left on promotion to another government dept.

Every day I hope he's not doing the same now. They don't even know they've hired a Sexual predator.

Mollyplop999 · 17/09/2023 14:44

Thank you so much for sharing this. Similar thing happened to me and I didn't do anything because of most of the reasons that you have already stated. I was extremely niave and also it was my boss in my first job, which I desperately needed. Even now, 40 years later I still have nightmares about him.

PiedPipa · 17/09/2023 14:45

We live in a world now where we're continually reassured we'll be listened to and protected from these disgusting men.
But that's just not the reality. I wonder if it will ever change.

loislovesstewie · 17/09/2023 14:48

I didn't report my manager at work who sexually assaulted me because ,despite the fact that everyone knew what he was like, he was also a pillar of the community. As he told everyone. No one would have believed me, I would have put myself through hell for nothing. I left the employment as soon as i could.He pobably carried on, I don't know , I moved well away from the place. I was actually more scared that I might meet him in the street , lose it and kill him. I was so angry with him, I just wanted him to suffer.

Crikeyalmighty · 17/09/2023 14:49

@Afterrain me too , I'm 61 and never taken a test. Driving instructor when I was 18- he was in his 50s

Weird comments, hand on knee

I did tell my mum and lessons promptly cancelled although they didn't take it further.

Suckingalemon · 17/09/2023 14:51

Because he was an ex boyfriend who I'd previously slept with, because I was drunk at the time. Because he said he did it because he still loved me so much. Because my best friend had invited him to her house party to try and help us get back together, I hadn't expected him to be there.

pickledandpuzzled · 17/09/2023 14:53

The reasons we didn't report are clearly seen still on the RB threads.

She should have known. (At 16)
She should have told (she did)
She shouldn't have...
Her mother should/shouldn't have...

When we live in a world where women can believe their bodies aren't public property that they bear full responsibility for protecting, that they won't be blamed for not being better at protecting herself, when the authorities and employers don't conspire to protect the abusers- women will come forward.

But maybe if the above comes true, we won't get assaulted.

DahliaMacNamara · 17/09/2023 14:53

I won't go into the details. I don't think I can, any more than I could back in the 70s. But I never said a word because I knew, even as a pre-pubescent child, that the likelihood was I'd be disbelieved, or blamed. Or both, for saying these things to get attention. I really, really didn't want the attention. Over the years I felt so much guilt, in case he did the same thing to someone else.
At least he's dead now.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 14:58

Yes the guilt, because I'm sure I wasn't the first or the last. I just tell myself that I had to put myself first and protect myself whatever way I could because no one else did. It still keeps me up at night sometimes.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/09/2023 14:59

Because the woman colleague who was there when I was desperately trying to elude his in plain sight touches said 'Oh, I didn't see anything, I don't want to get involved in office politics'. She made it impossible for my employer to do anything about it, as his union would have torn them and me to shreds.

Shortly after that and just before she left (her temporary contract wasn't renewed), she mentioned in passing that her old lecturer had been prosecuted, but she didn't see the point 'because we all knew what we had to do to get a first, anybody who did hasn't got any business complaining about it now'.

Zanatdy · 17/09/2023 14:59

i’m sorry. I was 16 and heavily pregnant when the owner of the taxi office I worked at drove me home (as he did many times), he asked to feel the baby move and put his hand down my knickers. I felt so violated. The next day I told my dad to go and tell him I was too tired from the pregnancy to carry on and remember his wife was annoyed as Sunday was his only day off and now he would have to go in and work the radio. I remember thinking if only she knew. My parents knew we hung around that taxi office with 3 old men (2 were fine, never tried anything). They gave us alcohol and the owner took my friend and I out in his sports car. My daughter is approaching the same age and I’d be onto it like a mad person if I knew she was hanging around people like him. But guess different times, but still. He’s long dead now, I never considered reporting him for a second, I didn’t want the hassle and I guess I didn’t even really consider it a criminal offence at the time, just unwanted attention

threecupsofteaminimum · 17/09/2023 14:59

A senior well respected member of staff at the NHS hospital I worked at in management about 12 years ago forced himself on me and I never reported it. All the reasons pp have cited.

If anything ever came out about him i would step forward but never otherwise.

1daughterand3sons · 17/09/2023 15:00

I understand why people don't report things.
I was 13 when I went to court for being raped and this is one of my biggest regrets in life why did I report it? I wasn't believed, I was told I enjoyed it, I was told I lead the guy on, I was told my school skirt was too short I must have wanted the attention.
If anything happened again would I report it? No why would I after the first time being made to feel like the guilty one.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 15:04

Because he was my boss and I needed that job.

Because I had agreed to go with him to visit another location where he got a bit handsy .

Because I agreed to go to dinner to discuss increasing my hours.

Because I was working without a NI (a whole other thread and scandal about the "agencies" that found you work without papers back then) and probably couldn't even prove I worked for him.

Because I didn't instantly leave the car when he said he'll have a bath and wank thinking of me that night.

Because I ended up fired the next week anyway, because the takings were low for a weekend, a thinly veiled accusation I had stolen the money.

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