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Why *I* didn't report

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AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 12:02

A lot of the time the answers to the "why didn't she report it" question tend to be quite abstract like statistics, research etc.

AIBU to hope with all my being that maybe, just maybe , reading some real life stories and experiences will explain why and won't be as easily dismissed?

So here is my story, one of them at least.

As a teenager I needed a maths tutor before some very important exam. The one my parents chose was a Uni mathematics professor with a great reputation and accomplishments, in the classroom and in his tutoring groups. He was the man to pick if you wanted your kids to get good results and parents felt grateful/lucky to get a spot for their kids, often needing a referral or a good word put in by someone with some standing.

The first few sessions were normal , bog standard,brain melting maths. These took place in his house, with his wife and son at home. The sessions were in groups of 5/6. I was with 4 other girls. Then during one session, while leaning over to help me with a maths problem he put his hands under my jumper. It was winter so it was a big bulky , high neck red jumper. I remember the colour of it and the rather scratchy feeling of it vividly. First on my back, around my waist, while still talking and explaining the answer. Then his hands moved up and he started grabbing, pinching, twisting. Through it all I remember stupidly still trying to solve that stupid equation and trying to focus on his words. Because what was happening it couldn't be happening. His hands were not on me. Who does that? I'm imagining it. It's some kind of accident. It's not happening. It's not happening. I even went again (did that imply consent, did I secretly want it, did it mean it wasn't that bad, did it mean it didn't happen) and 10 minutes in he came to "help" me again. Humiliatingly, I still didn't say or do anything. I just sat there, got on with my maths, screaming in my head that this isn't happening. Screaming in my head to do something,to say something. If he does it again I will, i promised myself. He did, I didn't. Next time.

That night I told my mother. She laughed at me, she made a crude joke. I rang him myself pretending to be her and cancelling my sessions. He didn't put up a fight and I remember how stupidly proud i was for dealing with it and "pulling one over him" and for actually doing it since I'd been dreading it and practiced for hours what I would say and how I would say it.

I didn't report because I was young and had had no support to do so. I didn't report because despite 4 witnesses, they didn't see anything . I didn't report because who would believe slutty old me, vs a Uni professor with a great reputation. I didn't report because I probably deserved it, I went back, I was this and that and the other. I didn't report because it was never presented as a real option.

It turns out the adults fucking knew. They whispered and warned each other about it. They gossiped and shared knowing looks about it. My own mother was told not to send me to him. But his results were more important, his reputation was more important, our grades were more important than our bodies, our sanity, our safety ,our voices.

I'm not looking for sympathy and I'm sorrys and flowers. It is what it is. It happened.
If anyone else wants to add their story, to share,to be heard, to be listened to , to be believed, to just let another soul know and let it all out (and hopefully to educate-as a side effect not a main goal) feel free to share, but no pressure to do so.

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AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 12:56

When I was 13, I went on residential with my class. One afternoon I was playing cards with some of the boys in my class. 6 other boys barged in , pinned me down and sexually assaulted me. I screamed and scratched and bit so got out of it just with sexual assault. None of the other boys (friends since we were 6), did anything or said anything. None went to get a teacher . None said a word afterwards. A girl(from a different school) tried to say something but her boyfriend told her to shut up in case they turn on her. The warning was clear, he would not protect her, just like no one was protecting me. They all sat and watched.

The questions and comments I got from adults as they became aware of either everything or bits and pieces? What was I doing there? What was I wearing? Didn't I have a crush on x anyway? Two teachers referred to me as acting like "a bitch in heat" in front of me and my mother.That's when I blew up and blurted that they should ask the boys what really happened on residential. The next day I got a phone call from the ring leader. A phone call full of threats and begging and promises and more threats. A complete mind fuck. I negotiated keeping quiet/giving a sanitised version in exchange for them never talking to me again,or even looking at me for the rest of the year when I'd move schools anyways. No one came back to me to ask anything anyway, no one checked ,no one wanted to know ,but I did get some peace and quiet. I enjoyed being invisible so much.

I also learned that no one had my back, my voice didn't matter, neither did my trauma or my abuse. I only had myself to rely on. I could only protect myself and bring myself out the best I could. Because no one else would. No one else would care. No one else would believe me.Even when it was their job and duty. As a parent, as an educator, as an adult, as a human being.

So yeah, when the thing with the tutor happened, I already knew the way the cookie crumbled. Plus I had a history /reputation by then too courtesy of the residential incident.

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muuj · 17/09/2023 12:58

I was 14. My friend and I met this 20 year old who worked collecting trolleys at a supermarket. We thought he was hot and was enjoying flirting with him. He gave me his number and we started to text, he invited me around to watch a film so I skipped school and went to his house. The second I arrived he was all over me, he held my hands above my head and raped me. I remember I said no multiple times as he pulled at my clothes but he ignored me. As soon as he was finished he kicked me out.
For years I blamed myself, and couldn’t bring myself to say it was rape. I would say “he had sex with me”
I never reported it due to blaming myself for going. I never go back to my home town in fear of bumping into him.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 13:02

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And that is up to you. I wouldn't. I might consider adding my story and my voice to those of other victims if an investigative reporter approached me though. Especially if they could keep me anonymous from the wider public. And that is my choice and my right as someone who actually it happened to.

However I don't want a massive derailment about RB (whom I didn't mention) and did he ,didn't he.

Why didn't she report /report sooner shows up consistently enough that it's not about a specific case/man. This is what this thread is about . Why we don't/didn't report. The various reasons,circumstances,feelings,traumas and mind fucks. And it's never because it didn't happen or because we want to make a quick buck.

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Wellthatsjustridiculous · 17/09/2023 13:03

I've been sexually assaulted several times. Ranging from inappropriate touching to rape. The offenders were a driving instructor, a friends step dad, a work colleague, a boyfriend.

I didn't report for lots of reasons. A couple of the incidents happened when I was very very young and I didn't realise what had gone on until I was older and I suddenly realised wtf, I was embarrassed, I thought that I wouldn't have been believed, I didn't want to relive it,

The work colleague was drunk and married and I actually ended up feeling sorry for him and thinking that I'd led him on for wearing a tight top and having big boobs and daring to be young and out having fun dancing and laughing.

The rape I did report and he was never charged.

It saddens me so much that we still don't bribed women and defend disgusting men like RB.

I wish that one day women could be safe but there is so much more to be done I'm not sure it will ever be.

Kimya · 17/09/2023 13:13

I suppose I was groomed as a teenager. Some would say I was sexually abused, some would use the term rape. I'm not sure what I'd term it to be honest. Some people say a 14 yo can't consent but I could have said no and walked away from the situation (I actually could have done this with no repercussions) but I chose not to. I'd rather it hadn't occurred but I can't say I have any real lasting trauma, flashbacks or anything like that and I wouldn't go to the police. I wouldn't then because I didn't want my parents to find out and I wouldn't now partly for the same reasons, partly because I don't think it would lead to anything and I really don't want the hassle of rehashing my past.

I know when I was a child there was one instance of us putting our genitals together (not penetrating!) but I'm sure that was down to both of us. I remember us giggling about how we'd got away with being naughty. Never happened or suggested again and we stayed friends for years and years afterwards until they moved house.

Kimya · 17/09/2023 13:15

Oh and I guess if someone inappropriately touching you is sexual assault then yeah loads of times but I'm hardly going to tell the police "A random bloke touched my arse, tried to kiss me in a club"

I had a coworker who used to give my thigh a little squeeze as he got off the train but I just found it amusing.

FedUpMumof10YO · 17/09/2023 13:22

You did report it. You told your Mum. She failed you as did he. I'm so sorry.

bubblegumpeach · 17/09/2023 13:28

I went to a party during year 7... so around 11 years old?
I hadn't realised no other girls were going to be there. It was a load of boys from my class.

I'm
Not sure how it happened or what lead to it but I do remember being pinned to the floor and my top being lifted up for all to see. I was tiny at that age barely grew boobs as teen let alone at 11! There was no need for me to wear a bra.

I never told my parents when they picked me up.

But the taunting at school was quite bad so I confided in my head of year. She told me to wear a bra.....

I never bothered telling anyone else. I had to spend the next 5 years in school with those boys.

M3T00 · 17/09/2023 13:30

The one I bitterly regret not reporting is someone who came to my house party when I was a student, he had ‘no way of getting home’ so my housemates and I agreed that he could sleep in the spare room (one of the other housemates hadn’t moved in yet), I went in to give him a blanket and he pinned me down on the bed. He was a bodybuilder so a lot bigger and stronger than me, and I still don’t know I managed to push him off me enough to whack him with the bedside lamp. He stopped and ran away. I went and got into bed with my housemate and and we just went to sleep, I don’t even remember what I said to her. Didn’t report him because I a) thought I wouldn’t be believed and b) didn’t want the hassle.

I will forever regret not reporting him because the same housemate sent me a link to a news article a few years later - he was inside for offences against young children. I imagine he’s still in prison now, I try not to think about him because the guilt creeps in. I know, logically, it’s not my fault but I always think what if I’d reported him and he’d been arrested/charged, he wouldn’t have been able to do what he did next Sad

MooseBreath · 17/09/2023 13:34

I was 20. I had just got off an overnight trans-Atlantic flight to study abroad, so I was exhausted on my own in a different country. I navigated the public transit system with two massive suitcases and finally arrived at the hostel I was meant to stay at for a night before taking the train to my Uni.

Upon arriving at the hostel, I was immediately approached by a young guy who looked about 30. We got to chatting and he was telling me about how he was travelling around Europe and was staying in this hostel for a few weeks. He offered to show me around the city, which I politely declined as I really wanted to be left alone. He said "in that case, let me help you with your bags," and took one if my cases to my room (shared dorms with 9 other women) without waiting for a response. We got outside the door of the dorm and he put down my case and pushed me against the wall, kissing me and touching me. I tried to get away and told him to stop, but he wouldn't and was trying to take it further. Eventually I managed to push him away and open my room with the key card and pull in my cases before slamming the door on him.

This was 10am. Every time the door opened for another woman coming into the room for the next couple hours, I would check the hallway and he was still loitering. I didn't eat anything or leave my room that day until I desperately needed the toilet, then caught the first train out the next morning.

I didn't report him. All I had was his name, and I don't even know if it was real or fake. None of the women in my dorm spoke English, as they were travelling together from another country. I didn't have a mobile phone that worked in the country yet. I didn't know anybody in the country. Besides, what was I going to tell police? A guy in a hostel touched me. He could be long gone. What could they even do about it? Nothing. So I didn't say anything.

FedUpMumof10YO · 17/09/2023 13:39

Kimya · 17/09/2023 13:15

Oh and I guess if someone inappropriately touching you is sexual assault then yeah loads of times but I'm hardly going to tell the police "A random bloke touched my arse, tried to kiss me in a club"

I had a coworker who used to give my thigh a little squeeze as he got off the train but I just found it amusing.

Oh do shut up.

BonnyHonny · 17/09/2023 13:41

I did report rape and he was convicted.

I also reported a colleague for other offences who was convicted.

I also reported in adulthood a CSA predatory family member who had abused several members of my family including me in childhood. None of the other family members wanted to support me in a criminal case for various reasons.

I understood that and also understood the limitations of the criminal justice system who couldn't proceed.

It's complex. But I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone not to report or to think that they won't be supported or that justice won't happen.

Convictions happen. Justice happens. The rhetoric about rape or abuse victims never receiving justice is leading to even more people not reporting. That isn't right.

Report. Yes it's a shit process and it is statistically likely not to result in a conviction but we can’t give up and say don't bother and then blame the system or society.

FrenchFancie · 17/09/2023 13:41

I was 18 and in my first year at uni. I was drunk and he let me ‘rest in his room’. I woke up to him raping me.

i didn’t report it because this was in the 1990s and I genuinely didn’t realise it was rape - I assumed it was my fault for being drunk and alone with him in his room. About five years later I studied law and had the moment of clarity in the middle of one of my crime lectures. I was boiling with rage when I realised what he’d done.

i would have reported it then but the fucker had got himself killed in a car crash a year previously so there was no point. I hope he is still boiling in hell.

NameChangedForThis195206644 · 17/09/2023 13:46

I didn't report. I blamed myself for being too drunk. I thought others would too.

pickledandpuzzled · 17/09/2023 13:48

I'm not giving details. I will say what happened next, and why I didn't go to the police.

The first person I told said 'that's not rape, rape is what happened to me. Regretting sex is not rape'. I was 16, I'd never had sex. He was maybe 30? At least. We were on holiday abroad.

The next person said OMG, me too!

The next person used the opportunity to groom me into a similar situation.

The next person i told- my parents. DM called me a Lolita, and said she'd never understood how rape was physically possible.

I didn't touch alcohol for three years because I thought maybe I'd have been able to stop it if I hadn't had a drink.

Still wonder why women don't go to the police?

M3T00 · 17/09/2023 13:52

BonnyHonny · 17/09/2023 13:41

I did report rape and he was convicted.

I also reported a colleague for other offences who was convicted.

I also reported in adulthood a CSA predatory family member who had abused several members of my family including me in childhood. None of the other family members wanted to support me in a criminal case for various reasons.

I understood that and also understood the limitations of the criminal justice system who couldn't proceed.

It's complex. But I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone not to report or to think that they won't be supported or that justice won't happen.

Convictions happen. Justice happens. The rhetoric about rape or abuse victims never receiving justice is leading to even more people not reporting. That isn't right.

Report. Yes it's a shit process and it is statistically likely not to result in a conviction but we can’t give up and say don't bother and then blame the system or society.

Yes, it’s complex. That’s why some people don’t report. I’m genuinely delighted that you found the mental strength to report what happened to you, but please do not try and guilt trip any of us here who have shared our stories and explained why we didn’t report. If I’d reported when I was 13, it would probably have changed the course of my life completely. Same as if I’d reported when I was 18.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 13:52

Oh I'm so sorry , I should've said that no details are necessary, for anyone posting. The reason why is more than enough on it's own.

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TherapySquirrel · 17/09/2023 13:53

DustyLee123 · 17/09/2023 12:12

I was touched by a child the same age as me, at about 6 years old. I didn’t tell anyone as I didn’t know what it was. And who would have done anything anyway, it would have been played down as kids exploring bodies.
I still get flashbacks now.

I'm sorry this happened to you. I have a very similar story, but in my case the other child had some sort of Learning Disability and I had previously been told how important it was to be kind to him because of this, and that he might behave in ways we consider strange but that's not his fault. This probably contributed to me not saying anything. Obviously the adults who said these things couldn't have known. But it went on for a couple of years and like you, I still get flashbacks.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 13:55

bubblegumpeach · 17/09/2023 13:28

I went to a party during year 7... so around 11 years old?
I hadn't realised no other girls were going to be there. It was a load of boys from my class.

I'm
Not sure how it happened or what lead to it but I do remember being pinned to the floor and my top being lifted up for all to see. I was tiny at that age barely grew boobs as teen let alone at 11! There was no need for me to wear a bra.

I never told my parents when they picked me up.

But the taunting at school was quite bad so I confided in my head of year. She told me to wear a bra.....

I never bothered telling anyone else. I had to spend the next 5 years in school with those boys.

I'm so sorry. I relate to that so much and it must've been so terrible to endure 5 more years with them. I always considered myself "lucky" I only had one year left and that my threats meant they ignored me for most of it. Only thing that kept me sane. I can't imagine how hard that must've been for you for so long.

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KyliesPencilCollection · 17/09/2023 13:56

I haven't reported because no one would believe me.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 17/09/2023 13:58

BonnyHonny · 17/09/2023 13:41

I did report rape and he was convicted.

I also reported a colleague for other offences who was convicted.

I also reported in adulthood a CSA predatory family member who had abused several members of my family including me in childhood. None of the other family members wanted to support me in a criminal case for various reasons.

I understood that and also understood the limitations of the criminal justice system who couldn't proceed.

It's complex. But I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone not to report or to think that they won't be supported or that justice won't happen.

Convictions happen. Justice happens. The rhetoric about rape or abuse victims never receiving justice is leading to even more people not reporting. That isn't right.

Report. Yes it's a shit process and it is statistically likely not to result in a conviction but we can’t give up and say don't bother and then blame the system or society.

I will support any victim through the legal process if that's what they chose to do.

I will advise any victim of their options and avenues for other/targeted help/support.

I will never force,shame or emotionally blackmail a victim into reporting.

There's a difference.

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FlutterShite · 17/09/2023 13:59

I realised I would never report a rape after hearing a friend who worked as a crown prosecutor looking forward to a rape trial the next morning - he said the defence barrister was renowned for the way he tore women apart in the dock, adding, awestruck, 'Wow, that's really gonna be something to see.'

I got upset about it. He told me that 'you have to understand, everyone is entitled to a fair trial'.

Echobelly · 17/09/2023 13:59

Sadly the system is such a mess and society is still in thrall to this idea that women 'make things up' because we 'have a grudge against someone' despite the fact women really have everything to lose from disclosing abuse, especially against a man who has more power than she does, which is usually the case. And this bizarre idea that a woman would falsely claim SA because she was disatisfied or embarrassed by a consensual encouter? Why the hell would any woman do that to herself? if you're embarassed or dissatisfied, you'd either tell no one or maybe have a drink with your best mate and cringe about it, but you're not going to drag your life into the hell that is an SA trail just because you had sex you didn't enjoy!

Women who go to the papers are not 'looking for fame' - I'd like people to name any woman who has found fame, fortune and approval after going to the press with abuse allegations?

Doggymummar · 17/09/2023 14:00

I was on the jury of a rape trial earlier this year. It was all handled very sensitively, there was no evidence other that recorded victim statements ( a mother and child) and the accused( father and husband). We convicted. He got seven years and will serve 3.5 his eleven year old will suffer forever. He was charged with anal rape of wife and sexual assault of a child under 13 (multiple charges). I have never reported my rapes and my sil is the only person I have told.

Mother87 · 17/09/2023 14:02

pickledandpuzzled · 17/09/2023 13:48

I'm not giving details. I will say what happened next, and why I didn't go to the police.

The first person I told said 'that's not rape, rape is what happened to me. Regretting sex is not rape'. I was 16, I'd never had sex. He was maybe 30? At least. We were on holiday abroad.

The next person said OMG, me too!

The next person used the opportunity to groom me into a similar situation.

The next person i told- my parents. DM called me a Lolita, and said she'd never understood how rape was physically possible.

I didn't touch alcohol for three years because I thought maybe I'd have been able to stop it if I hadn't had a drink.

Still wonder why women don't go to the police?

Just sick... all of it. So many of us in different ways - mostly minimised & dismissed by others (me too) Flowers