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Trial by media circus

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Maatandosiris · 17/09/2023 09:42

The first thing to say is anyone who has committed rape absolutely needs to be brought to justice. The criminal
justice system needs to become more effective in protecting all victims of crime.

However, AIBU unreasonable to think that this weekends story about RB has been sinister for many other reasons, none of which are to do with RB.

Firstly the SM posts whipping people into a frenzy of some big reveal like some secret album release. Clues planted through various carefully placed posts, giving just enough detail to let people work things out (plus making people suggest other names) . It was an absolute circus, in the case of rape it turned accusations of serious crime into entertainment, no thought how anyone would be affected, whether ultimately guilty or innocent (maybe c4/The Times were trying to get new stories). Extremely bad taste at one end of the spectrum, devastating for innocent people at the other.

The ultimate agenda of both The Sunday Times and C4 is to make money. That’s it, neither is set up as the states arm of justice. There’s no inbuilt checks and balances. Yet somehow they are allowed to name an individual, accuse them of crimes (and effectively say they are guilty) without any of the safeguards and checks and balances of the criminal justice system applying.

People have lost all sense of justice. We have a man accused of something, an hour and a half of heavily hyped TV which holds some accusations but mainly a character assassination, The Sunday Times probably selling many more copies/getting many more subscribers with more of the sane one sided accusations.

Even on Mumsnet we have people already calling him a Rapist, people feeding into the frenzy of “he’s a creep”, “he’s a sex pest” etc etc. in other words, convicting him in their minds before this has gone anywhere near a court or jury.

How will this ever now be a fair trial? How will they find a jury who can 100% not have their views affected by this whole circus? If he is guilty will there ever be a safe conviction, how can we be confident that real justice has been done? What’s the risk of any conviction being overturned? This is not in the interests of either the alleged victim or the alleged perpetrator.

Questions are circulating all over SM as to the agendas at play. It’s fairly clear that the Sunday Times has been searching out victims. What were they saying to these people? What promises have been made?

if a crime has been committed this should be with the criminal justice system not Saturday night prime time TV with an associated heavy advertising campaign.

Im not sure whether RB is guilty or innocent, but that’s not what this post is about. AIBU to think that the way this witch hunt (which is what it is regardless of whether RB sinks or floats) is abhorrent and flies in the face of justice and that this has far wider and scarier implications for society than just this case. Who or what is next?

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Bingbangbongbash · 18/09/2023 21:00

CorylusAgain · 18/09/2023 19:27

I have reported that post but stand by every other post I have made.

I am not a journalist.

Neither am I.

I just believe in a free press being empowered to give voices to those unable to speak up.

Also I think RB is a stain.

Whereforartthoudave · 18/09/2023 21:11

Barry Bennell, U.K.
paedophile, convicted of abusing boys when he was a football coach has just died in prison.
He was deported from the US to stand trial for attacks that took place in the UK after a Channel 4 Dispatches investigation.

So was that ‘trial by media’ too or was that a tenacious and thorough investigative journalism that lead to the conviction of a serious sex offender?

Maatandosiris · 18/09/2023 21:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/09/2023 20:15

There cannot be a blanket rule on this, so I take things on a case by case basis. In the case of RB, I think what's happening is Ok.🤷‍♀️

He is not some poor victim.🙄

But who is to decide when it’s ok or not? If someone isn’t generally liked, ok? If they’re a nice bubbly individual not ok?

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WarriorN · 18/09/2023 21:25

Just after #MeToo:

Brand was booked as a judge on Comedy Central’s Roast Battle in 2018, but only lasted a single season on the series after he himself was roasted on-camera over allegations he had sexually assaulted women. He strongly denies criminal wrongdoing.
Three sources close to the Fulwell 73 production said Roast Battle judge Katherine Ryan turned the heat on Brand a number of times during filming. Her allegations did not make the final edit.

The confrontations reveal how speculation about Brand was circulating in the comedy and TV worlds, but he continued to be employed on primetime series. The show appears to be something of a turning point, however, given Brand virtually vanished from UK television screens after 2018, except for an appearance on The Great Celebrity Bake Off.
(Where he made a genital cake. His wife's I think?)

deadline.com/2023/09/russell-brand-roast-battle-uk-katherine-ryan-1235549112/

Guavafish1 · 18/09/2023 21:25

The police will investigate, if there is enough evidence for a conviction it will lead to a trial.

This forms the basis of a civil society. I agree with other... look at Caroline flack and cliff Richards.

Whereforartthoudave · 18/09/2023 21:53

‘If someone isn’t generally liked, ok? If they’re a nice bubbly individual not ok?’

we could just start with - are they a rapist/paedo/sex offender and take it from there?

CorylusAgain · 18/09/2023 21:55

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 21:25

Just after #MeToo:

Brand was booked as a judge on Comedy Central’s Roast Battle in 2018, but only lasted a single season on the series after he himself was roasted on-camera over allegations he had sexually assaulted women. He strongly denies criminal wrongdoing.
Three sources close to the Fulwell 73 production said Roast Battle judge Katherine Ryan turned the heat on Brand a number of times during filming. Her allegations did not make the final edit.

The confrontations reveal how speculation about Brand was circulating in the comedy and TV worlds, but he continued to be employed on primetime series. The show appears to be something of a turning point, however, given Brand virtually vanished from UK television screens after 2018, except for an appearance on The Great Celebrity Bake Off.
(Where he made a genital cake. His wife's I think?)

deadline.com/2023/09/russell-brand-roast-battle-uk-katherine-ryan-1235549112/

I'm not a Katherine Ryan fan but I bloody salute her! What guts to take him on publicly. I'm glad she kept her job and Brand was the one to go!

Cornettoninja · 18/09/2023 22:07

Whereforartthoudave · 18/09/2023 21:53

‘If someone isn’t generally liked, ok? If they’re a nice bubbly individual not ok?’

we could just start with - are they a rapist/paedo/sex offender and take it from there?

Exactly, the bar is high enough that wankers can still limbo underneath it.

RedToothBrush · 18/09/2023 22:16

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 21:25

Just after #MeToo:

Brand was booked as a judge on Comedy Central’s Roast Battle in 2018, but only lasted a single season on the series after he himself was roasted on-camera over allegations he had sexually assaulted women. He strongly denies criminal wrongdoing.
Three sources close to the Fulwell 73 production said Roast Battle judge Katherine Ryan turned the heat on Brand a number of times during filming. Her allegations did not make the final edit.

The confrontations reveal how speculation about Brand was circulating in the comedy and TV worlds, but he continued to be employed on primetime series. The show appears to be something of a turning point, however, given Brand virtually vanished from UK television screens after 2018, except for an appearance on The Great Celebrity Bake Off.
(Where he made a genital cake. His wife's I think?)

deadline.com/2023/09/russell-brand-roast-battle-uk-katherine-ryan-1235549112/

Deadline has confirmed with multiple sources that she was referring to Brand and Roast Battle. Ryan told Theroux that she did not name her colleague because it was a “litigious minefield” and she had not personally been assaulted by Brand.

One person familiar with the matter said Brand was “absolutely furious” at being targeted by Ryan. This person said other comedians may have also called out Brand, though this has not been confirmed by those who worked on the show. Two other sources said he demanded that producers protect him from being roasted by his fellow comedians.

The industry insiders said Fulwell 73 grew uncomfortable with the rumors swirling around Brand and his reluctance to be roasted gave the company an opportunity to drop him.

“Contract negotiations were made as tricky as possible, is the best way to put it,” said a source familiar with talks with Brand over Season 2. “In the end, it came down to the fact that it seemed like Russell didn’t have a good sense of humor. He didn’t feel he was fair game.”

Fascinating. He would dish it out without thought, but couldn't take it.

How funny.

Bingbangbongbash · 18/09/2023 22:28

RedToothBrush · 18/09/2023 22:16

Deadline has confirmed with multiple sources that she was referring to Brand and Roast Battle. Ryan told Theroux that she did not name her colleague because it was a “litigious minefield” and she had not personally been assaulted by Brand.

One person familiar with the matter said Brand was “absolutely furious” at being targeted by Ryan. This person said other comedians may have also called out Brand, though this has not been confirmed by those who worked on the show. Two other sources said he demanded that producers protect him from being roasted by his fellow comedians.

The industry insiders said Fulwell 73 grew uncomfortable with the rumors swirling around Brand and his reluctance to be roasted gave the company an opportunity to drop him.

“Contract negotiations were made as tricky as possible, is the best way to put it,” said a source familiar with talks with Brand over Season 2. “In the end, it came down to the fact that it seemed like Russell didn’t have a good sense of humor. He didn’t feel he was fair game.”

Fascinating. He would dish it out without thought, but couldn't take it.

How funny.

Mmm. Seems very on Brand for a (n alleged) rapist to get pissed off at a woman wielding some power.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/09/2023 22:33

So in 2007 there was that vile exchange with Savile, in 2008 there was Sachsgate, yet the Guardian were happy to continue to employ Brand

Quite - so forget the Guardian's moral high horse along with the BBC

Whereforartthoudave · 18/09/2023 22:35

‘Fascinating. He would dish it out without thought, but couldn't take it. ‘

most bullies can’t take it themselves, that’s why they bully. Attack 1st, every time

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/09/2023 22:38

Whereforartthoudave · 18/09/2023 21:53

‘If someone isn’t generally liked, ok? If they’re a nice bubbly individual not ok?’

we could just start with - are they a rapist/paedo/sex offender and take it from there?

Yep, that works for me too.

WarriorN · 19/09/2023 06:20

Also thought this was interesting

https://inews.co.uk/news/russell-brand-youtube-channel-conspiracy-theories-followers-left-tv-2624155

On Mr Brand’s online popularity, Felix Simon, a communication researcher at Oxford University’s Internet Institute, told Prospectt*: “The most important thing to understand about people like Russell Brand, and online influencers in general, is that they are able to build something we call a ‘parasocial interaction’ with audiences.

Basically, they suggest to people that they are close to them and that their audiences and their fans are somehow their friends, who get to see them as they really are.”
Mr Brand, as someone who was already very famous before leaning into online content creation, already had a sizeable following of people who felt this parasocial connection to him, making it easier for his channels to become popular and for his views to spread.

HRTQueen · 19/09/2023 08:26

The Guardian will happily support anyone that is left wing but in recent years they have become an embarrassment. It used to be a respectable paper and though left leaning would be critical of all party agendas and ideas.

Why was RB and there are other so called comedians/radio presenters allowed to carry on they way they did. The open bullying, the misogyny, the called out racism in the name of comedy yet many still have highly paid work

Donotshushme · 19/09/2023 08:26

There's a clip of his victim saying about how he forced her to give him a blow job and told her how much he liked seeing the mascara running down her face because she was crying. Then a clip of him saying exactly the same thing at a stand up gig, but as a joke and people laughing along. He was always there, hiding in plain sight.

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2023 08:40

I never really took much notice of his Stand up I always thought him being a "comedian " was a stretch a bit like Jonathan Ross would do anything for attention and money but I know women who saw RB live his humour is revolting!

Willmafrockfit · 19/09/2023 08:50

wonder what will happen with Bake off and Noel

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2023 08:55

I think Bake off is filmed for this year, but I don't think Noel Fielding is involved is he ? I get that they are friends but that doesn't mean he should be pushed aside.

Willmafrockfit · 19/09/2023 09:28

bake off due to be aired 26th september

Willmafrockfit · 19/09/2023 09:30

Noel rumoured to have dated Bob Geldof's daughter Pixie when she was studying for her GCSEs at school aged 16. He was more than twice her age at 33.

i guess he has redeemed himself by being on Bake Off~?

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2023 10:09

Willmafrockfit · 19/09/2023 09:30

Noel rumoured to have dated Bob Geldof's daughter Pixie when she was studying for her GCSEs at school aged 16. He was more than twice her age at 33.

i guess he has redeemed himself by being on Bake Off~?

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Oh right well that's totally a different thing ! On the documentary Bob Geldoff called RB a Cunt didn't he ?

EggInANest · 19/09/2023 10:16

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 19:41

.

And this is why it is All Connected.

Bragg and Jones, watching vile misogyny play out in front of them for years.

Bragg and Jones attacking any woman who dares suggest that women need women only spaces.

Having guffawed, nudge nudged, applauded and protected the very cause of that need.

EggInANest · 19/09/2023 10:17

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2023 10:09

Oh right well that's totally a different thing ! On the documentary Bob Geldoff called RB a Cunt didn't he ?

Yes, what was all that about? Was it a joke? Did he mean it? RB looked v pissed off.

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2023 10:18

Oh he definitely meant it !

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