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Trial by media circus

644 replies

Maatandosiris · 17/09/2023 09:42

The first thing to say is anyone who has committed rape absolutely needs to be brought to justice. The criminal
justice system needs to become more effective in protecting all victims of crime.

However, AIBU unreasonable to think that this weekends story about RB has been sinister for many other reasons, none of which are to do with RB.

Firstly the SM posts whipping people into a frenzy of some big reveal like some secret album release. Clues planted through various carefully placed posts, giving just enough detail to let people work things out (plus making people suggest other names) . It was an absolute circus, in the case of rape it turned accusations of serious crime into entertainment, no thought how anyone would be affected, whether ultimately guilty or innocent (maybe c4/The Times were trying to get new stories). Extremely bad taste at one end of the spectrum, devastating for innocent people at the other.

The ultimate agenda of both The Sunday Times and C4 is to make money. That’s it, neither is set up as the states arm of justice. There’s no inbuilt checks and balances. Yet somehow they are allowed to name an individual, accuse them of crimes (and effectively say they are guilty) without any of the safeguards and checks and balances of the criminal justice system applying.

People have lost all sense of justice. We have a man accused of something, an hour and a half of heavily hyped TV which holds some accusations but mainly a character assassination, The Sunday Times probably selling many more copies/getting many more subscribers with more of the sane one sided accusations.

Even on Mumsnet we have people already calling him a Rapist, people feeding into the frenzy of “he’s a creep”, “he’s a sex pest” etc etc. in other words, convicting him in their minds before this has gone anywhere near a court or jury.

How will this ever now be a fair trial? How will they find a jury who can 100% not have their views affected by this whole circus? If he is guilty will there ever be a safe conviction, how can we be confident that real justice has been done? What’s the risk of any conviction being overturned? This is not in the interests of either the alleged victim or the alleged perpetrator.

Questions are circulating all over SM as to the agendas at play. It’s fairly clear that the Sunday Times has been searching out victims. What were they saying to these people? What promises have been made?

if a crime has been committed this should be with the criminal justice system not Saturday night prime time TV with an associated heavy advertising campaign.

Im not sure whether RB is guilty or innocent, but that’s not what this post is about. AIBU to think that the way this witch hunt (which is what it is regardless of whether RB sinks or floats) is abhorrent and flies in the face of justice and that this has far wider and scarier implications for society than just this case. Who or what is next?

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Totaly · 18/09/2023 18:44

His tours been postponed due to allegations.

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 18:52

I would be extremely surprised if police had not been spoken to by these investigators and this was the course of action that was decided on for a variety of reasons (probably to be found within the serious case reviews of JS and others.)

Maatandosiris · 18/09/2023 19:12

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“I've come to the conclusion @Maatandosiris that you must have had a frightening encounter with a journalist in your formative years that has left you with an irrational paranoia surrounding journalism. You have not acknowledged even the possibility that moral journalists even exist.”

Ah bless ya. Trying to undermine me by portraying me as a frightened confused woman who must clearly be a victim lashing out in an irrational way. It’s rather like 19th century doctors claiming women were “hysterical”

I’ve not had a “frightening experience”
i have witnessed journalists acting in ways with terrible morals leading friends and family to find out loved ones had died via the press in their race to break a story. I’ve seen bereaved people hounded.

The structure of journalism needs to come under the spotlight, journalists get ahead by taking risks, people are treated as collateral damage to their careers. This is why we have case after case of phone hacking, libel cases, retracted stories, people literally lolling themselves after being hounded by the press.

I suppose on the balance of probabilities there might be journalists with morals, they probably won’t get very far though.

so what do you do for a career?

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CorylusAgain · 18/09/2023 19:18

@Maatandosiris I apologise for the way I phrased that post and will report it as it comes across as a personal attack which was not my intention.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2023 19:18

Given the impact on people’s lives it’s a decent question, it doesn’t need mockery imo

EasternStandard · 18/09/2023 19:19

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Cornettoninja · 18/09/2023 19:19

RedToothBrush · 18/09/2023 16:52

SLAPPS
Strategic lawsuit against public participation

used to silence weaker parties from speaking out publicly on an issue.

Thanks @RedToothBrush I appreciate the explanations Smile

Re: the sensationalism it certainly happened but whether that was intentional is debatable. I think the change to scheduled programming for a programme that carries weight for its investigative journalism pricked enough ears that it was self-fulfilling. Neither the times or dispatches were prepared for RB releasing a statement in advance of the broadcast which further fuelled the sensationalism.

I highly suspect some on here are journalists (let’s face it they’re well known for trawling MN looking for easy stories)

It’s good advice to keep your wits about you on here or anywhere else online. MN is particularly vulnerable to trolls, bad actors and people with ill intent since there is such a flexible and well used policy on name changing alongside an etiquette of not bringing up peoples past posting history. Fortunately they are also quite responsive to posters concerns if they have suspicions.

please do report any suspicions you have to MNHQ. Z

Cornettoninja · 18/09/2023 19:24

I’ve not had a “frightening experience”
i have witnessed journalists acting in ways with terrible morals leading friends and family to find out loved ones had died via the press in their race to break a story. I’ve seen bereaved people hounded

None of which is relevant to the RB report or anything comparable.

Is there an argument to impose restrictions on the press? Yes. is there a one size fits all restriction? Absolutely not.

CorylusAgain · 18/09/2023 19:27

I have reported that post but stand by every other post I have made.

I am not a journalist.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2023 19:31

On one hand the ferocity of taking someone out is a fairly new phenomenon and can result in bad outcomes pre trial

Oth industry norms can be exposed and changed

It has been on my mind a fair bit but I haven’t resolved how I feel entirely

The yanbu / yabu vote is evenly split too

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 19:41

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WarriorN · 18/09/2023 19:43

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IClaudine · 18/09/2023 19:55

So in 2007 there was that vile exchange with Savile, in 2008 there was Sachsgate, yet the Guardian were happy to continue to employ Brand.

I didn't know Owen Jones and Billy Bragg were pally with him. Says a lot about them if this is true.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/09/2023 19:58

IClaudine · 18/09/2023 19:55

So in 2007 there was that vile exchange with Savile, in 2008 there was Sachsgate, yet the Guardian were happy to continue to employ Brand.

I didn't know Owen Jones and Billy Bragg were pally with him. Says a lot about them if this is true.

Are OJ and BB pally with him?

Willmafrockfit · 18/09/2023 20:07

he has now gone to ground, his tour has been postponed

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 20:07

Are OJ and BB pally with him?

Were

Perhaps not more recently.

He was being courted by labour for a while. Or vice versa

Tatchell on brand 14 years ago.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/oct/30/russell-brand-jonathan-ross

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WarriorN · 18/09/2023 20:09

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IClaudine · 18/09/2023 20:09

I don't know if they were "pally", I was just going by what Bindel was implying (and I know there is a whole other agenda going on there so wouldn't take her word as gospel!). But OJ must be cringing now.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/04/russell-brand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 20:11

Agenda?

Julie tried to expose the Rotherham scandal and papers like the Guardian were having none of it. Only the DM...

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/09/2023 20:15

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/09/2023 17:07

I think it is right this time. He is rich, quite powerful and has said he's fine suing those who "defame" him

I appreciate you added ""this time", but if we normalise acceptance of the public crying guilty, what happens when it's someone who can't afford to sue? Those without means already often struggle to access the law, and wouldn't this add another layer of disadvantage?

Granted Joe Bloggs down the road wouldn't generate three threads' worth of initials speculating on "who it is", but that doesn't mean he'd suffer less

There cannot be a blanket rule on this, so I take things on a case by case basis. In the case of RB, I think what's happening is Ok.🤷‍♀️

He is not some poor victim.🙄

IClaudine · 18/09/2023 20:17

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 20:11

Agenda?

Julie tried to expose the Rotherham scandal and papers like the Guardian were having none of it. Only the DM...

Agenda is the wrong word. What I mean is, there is no love lost between JB, OJ and BB these days. But that is a whole different discussion.

QueenMegan · 18/09/2023 20:18

You sound incredibly niave if you think the stories all with very similar details us fabricated. As for a fair trial the criminal justice system is adversial does not support women. Look at how Amber Heard was treated.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2023 20:19

Blimey at that Peter T article

Just read the full thing

So that’s where we were with people calling it froth and attack on BBC

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 20:49

IClaudine · 18/09/2023 20:09

I don't know if they were "pally", I was just going by what Bindel was implying (and I know there is a whole other agenda going on there so wouldn't take her word as gospel!). But OJ must be cringing now.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/04/russell-brand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried

Crikey, they were really pushing him as some sort of labour saviour back then weren't they?

WarriorN · 18/09/2023 20:53

First comment... the irony

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